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Razmos Wrote:Reached a streak of 20 Single Battles in Battle Maison and got shut down by the Battle Charletain. Her Purugly and Grumpig annoyed the pineapple out of me. 2 of the pokemon I hate the most (I really do) and they just happened to hit like a truck. Purugly had Shadow Ball which it wasn't even capable of learning in 5th Gen. Her Wigglytuff tanked my full power STAB return with a normal gem, and then used Focus Blast in retaliation, fainting my Greninja in one shot.
Was using:
Greninja
Ability: Protean
Item: Normal Gem
Attacks: U-Turn, Acrobatics, Return, Power-Up Punch
Stats: 31 IV's in Attack. Attack and Speed fully EV trained.
How it worked: First turn STAB fully powered Return with a Normal Gem, second turn takes advantage of no longer holding an item by using a STAB Acrobatics. STAB U-Turn if it's a pokemon I can't deal with. STAB Power-up punch for Rock or Steel types, or to finish off a pokemon to get a nice attack boost.
Spooks (Gourgeist)
Ability: Pick Up (useless)
Item: Leftovers
Attacks: Phantom Force, Shadow Sneak, Seed Bomb, Leech Seed
Stats: around 30 IV's in Attack. Attack and Defense fully EV trained. (Also a Super Size Gourgeist, meaning it has higher Attack, HP and Defense, but has lower speed)
How it worked: Phantom Force is good for stalling, and hits really hard. Being unhittable for a turn while my Leftovers and Leech Seed go to work is really cool. Shadow Sneak to finish stuff off, Seed Bomb for brute force, Leech Seed for stalling, healing and taking down tanky pokemon.
Hypnotoed (Politoed)
Ability: Water Absorb
Item: Expert Belt (Would gladly change this out for something else, but i'm not sure what)
Attacks: Ice Beam, Psychic, Hyper Voice, Surf
Stats: 31 IV's in Attack and Sp. Attack, EV trained for Sp. Attack and Speed.
How it worked: Pretty simple really. Just a bunch of high power Special attacks for some type coverage.
What do you guys think? is this a good team? I think it needs working on.
Gonna continue this discussion in this thread rather than the other one, thanks Malthe.
MasPan Wrote:You've got 2 water types, which probably hurts you overall for coverage, but Politoed is pretty awesome. I'd replace him as your special sweeper for something with entirely different weaknesses from Greninja, possibly a fire or dragon type. You're definitely lacking for ground, fighting, or fire offensive capabilities (Greninja has PuP, but low base power limits it as a sweeping option).
Greninja technically isn't a Water type. It's either Normal, Fighting, Bug or Flying depending on which move I use. And since it is a very fast pokemon, it usually goes first. So it's very rarely Water/Dark.
I'm thinking of building a Mega Medicham, Mega Blaziken, Mega Gardevoir, Mega Mawile or Mega Aggron, but i'm not sure which one would fit my team the best.
Both Purugly and Grumpig fell in 1-2 hits each. Only the Talonflame was EV trained (252 speed, 126 att/sp att, give or take).
For Rotation I changed Blaziken a bit to:
Moves: Cut, Brick Break, Poison Jab, Blaze Kick
What would be a good final moveset for Blaziken for use at Battle Maison and such since I won't have to deal with its ban in meta-game? May end up breeding the Blaziken for IVs later instead of just move-tutoring and super training for proper EVs.
Both Purugly and Grumpig fell in 1-2 hits each. Only the Talonflame was EV trained (252 speed, 126 att/sp att, give or take).
For Rotation I changed Blaziken a bit to:
Moves: Cut, Brick Break, Poison Jab, Blaze Kick
What would be a good final moveset for Blaziken for use at Battle Maison and such since I won't have to deal with its ban in meta-game? May end up breeding the Blaziken for IVs later instead of just move-tutoring and super training for proper EVs.
A Talonflame with Flame Body? I'd instantly go for Gale Wings. Greninja would be better off using Protean but I guess it's too late for that now. Not sure about Blaziken, I'm afraid.
Encyclopedic Wrote:A Talonflame with Flame Body? I'd instantly go for Gale Wings. Greninja would be better off using Protean but I guess it's too late for that now. Not sure about Blaziken, I'm afraid.
Keep in mind these are just things I caught and raised for the story. They're all I have at this time. I do have a Gale Wings Fletchinder I'm using for breeding purposes. I have it paired with a Fletchling for 31 IVs in att+speed. Just taking some time to get an egg with Gale Wings.
Corn Wrote:Uh, I feel like there should only be one moveset Blaziken should use, and it's
Swords Dance allows you to 1hko or 2hko everything. Protect is for scouting and nabbing another Speed Boost.
Of course, I might be completely wrong for Battle Maison purposes.
I went with Poison Jab because nothing I have counters fairies and my Talonflame winds up just being a suicide with Brave Bird. I wanted to teach Talonflame U-Turn or something, but since I use it in standard game, I needed to keep Fly on it. I also will probably hunt down a Protean Frogadier in Friend Safari soon enough.
Blaziken should still be able to KO or 2HKO fairies with just a Swords Dance boost, though. The only problem I'd see is Azumarill...which with the right set, pretty much roflstomps your team, but hey, you can't plan for every occurance.
working on raising a new team mostly because the team I built for the plot is all fire types xD Gotten to about 20 battles using blaziken, charizard, and Delpohox
Gonna EV train the lucario, ralts, Tyrunt, and chester; then add some dragons in for good measure (modest, 31 IV special attack Goomy ), Potentially Bagon and Gibble too. Then breeding Protean froakies and then the gen 1 starters ><" so much work to be done with so little time :C
Yeah, my worst bit was a Swalot wall. It had Black Sludge moves were Protect/Toxic/Earthquake/Stockpile. I only won thanks to a crit Blaze Kick. As for Azumarill I would have been rolled if not for rotation allowing a 4th which I put my Venusaur in. Mostly new to the concept of meta-game. I understand a bit as common sense, but some strategies that involve multiple Pokemon elude me still.
Razmos Wrote:Gonna continue this discussion in this thread rather than the other one, thanks Malthe.
I'm thinking of building a Mega Medicham, Mega Blaziken, Mega Gardevoir, Mega Mawile or Mega Aggron, but i'm not sure which one would fit my team the best.
Honestly a great team from what I can see. The only points I would like to make is that relying on Return as your main move can be worry-some due to the fact that it's never super effective. I understand the point though (high base power, Normal Gem to allow Acrobatic sweeping.)
As for switching out Politoed (that's what it sounds like you are leaning towards) I would recommend still using a Specially Offensive+Specially Defensive-mon. Because the rest of your team is entirely physical and both have pretty 'meh' Sp.Def naturally.
The following could be a good replacement:
Slowbro
Ability: Regenerator
Item: Assault Vest
252HP/124Sp.Def/132Sp.Atk <- You can spec more in either stat if you feel it's necessary, but a balance in both would be nice.
Modest Nature (+Sp.Atk, -Atk)
Moveset: Scald/Ice Beam/Psychic/Flamethrower
Slowbro naturally already has huge physical bulk. Assault Vest only grants it massive special bulk too, especially when you invest in the Sp.Def stats a bit. He doesn't mind Assault Vest's secondary effect (no set-up moves allowed) because he has recovery in the form of Regenerator and can burn in the form of Scald. This Slowbro is not only an attacker, but a massive tank.
As for Megas, there aren't many that fill the Specially Offensive+Defensive niche. Maybe Gardevoir?
Sadly though, I feel like Gourgeist might be a hindrance. Personally I believe there are Pokemon that can do his job much better. But that's just me looking at him on paper, I haven't tried him myself. So maybe he is good.
Maybe be weird to have as a Custap suicide lead (Will that hold item be useful for her?) but I do need someone that can be a decent lead to put down some Stealth Rock and maybe prevent the opponent from using their own with whirlwind? I might change the EV look and put the 252 in Def instead of Spe because of the item.
Sweeper
Spoiler
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Intimidate/Pure Power
Item: Mawilite
EV: 252 Atk/Def, 4 Spe (?)
Moves: Play Rough, Sucker Punch, Sword Dance, Toxic/Iron Head
Like I said in the other thread, I like Mawile. For my first time to work, I plan to use her as my MegaPoke in the team as a sweeper. Shes slow so her ev set up is based on more power rather than fixing her speed. The moves depend on if I see a lot of fairies in Gen 6. If I do see a lot of fairies in the near future, Iron Head seems to be the better choice of the two so I can gain more coverage of moves but if not, Ill stick to toxic just in case.
Despite all that, her weakness is probably going to be common especially with this pokemon running in the game once we are allowed to trade pokemon from other games:
The best set for me to run Salamence is probably a MixAttacker because this will help against any pesky enemies of Mawile along with his own. I dont like Outrage due to fairies being in the game and taking no damage while Im locked by that move. This makes me lean towards D.Claw more but I may choose Outrage if fairies are not dominant in teams. This also means that his weakness is probably going to be Stealth Rock and Fairies and a few other things I didnt mentioned (this is going to be a long post but Im trying to keep it short. The former means I will need a Rapid Spin user and the latter is already covered. :x
I dont want to explain too much here but not much is needed to be explained. I got spikes/stealth rock on my side and I use starmie to take those out. I thought of other spinners but a Mega Blastoise bluff is probably not going to fool anyone if I have Mawile in the team .
This leaves me with two more pokemon that I have no clue what to do ..Aegislash could be a good spinblocker and a decent attacker but Gengar could be better and a more easier pokemon to bluff a mega over Blastoise. The other slot is probably going to be my wish-user so maybe an eeveelution (say Umbreon or Sylveon) maybe best. Jirachi is also another option but I dont think itll be that great of a pokemon to use . On the other slot, a ParaFlinch Togekiss could be better .even if I can fight w/ no fairy moves. The fact that Togekiss can neutralize Dragon Moves and Ground moves is great in my opinion. :b[/COLOR]
Pewsks Wrote:Honestly a great team from what I can see. The only points I would like to make is that relying on Return as your main move can be worry-some due to the fact that it's never super effective. I understand the point though (high base power, Normal Gem to allow Acrobatic sweeping.)
As for switching out Politoed (that's what it sounds like you are leaning towards) I would recommend still using a Specially Offensive+Specially Defensive-mon. Because the rest of your team is entirely physical and both have pretty 'meh' Sp.Def naturally.
The following could be a good replacement:
Slowbro
Ability: Regenerator
Item: Assault Vest
252HP/124Sp.Def/132Sp.Atk <- You can spec more in either stat if you feel it's necessary, but a balance in both would be nice.
Modest Nature (+Sp.Atk, -Atk)
Moveset: Scald/Ice Beam/Psychic/Flamethrower
Slowbro naturally already has huge physical bulk. Assault Vest only grants it massive special bulk too, especially when you invest in the Sp.Def stats a bit. He doesn't mind Assault Vest's secondary effect (no set-up moves allowed) because he has recovery in the form of Regenerator and can burn in the form of Scald. This Slowbro is not only an attacker, but a massive tank.
As for Megas, there aren't many that fill the Specially Offensive+Defensive niche. Maybe Gardevoir?
Sadly though, I feel like Gourgeist might be a hindrance. Personally I believe there are Pokemon that can do his job much better. But that's just me looking at him on paper, I haven't tried him myself. So maybe he is good.
Yeah, I would have used a Flying gem if it was available, unfortunately not.
Slowbro sounds excellent, that's a great idea. might try that out if I can. Gardevoir also sounds like a good Mega for my team.
Maybe be weird to have as a Custap suicide lead (Will that hold item be useful for her?) but I do need someone that can be a decent lead to put down some Stealth Rock and maybe prevent the opponent from using their own with whirlwind? I might change the EV look and put the 252 in Def instead of Spe because of the item.
Sweeper
Spoiler
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Intimidate/Pure Power
Item: Mawilite
EV: 252 Atk/Def, 4 Spe (?)
Moves: Play Rough, Sucker Punch, Sword Dance, Toxic/Iron Head
Like I said in the other thread, I like Mawile. For my first time to work, I plan to use her as my MegaPoke in the team as a sweeper. She’s slow so her ev set up is based on more power rather than fixing her speed. The moves depend on if I see a lot of fairies in Gen 6. If I do see a lot of fairies in the near future, Iron Head seems to be the better choice of the two so I can gain more coverage of moves but if not, I’ll stick to toxic just in case.
Despite all that, her weakness is probably going to be common especially with this pokemon running in the game once we are allowed to trade pokemon from other games:
The best set for me to run Salamence is probably a MixAttacker because this will help against any pesky enemies of Mawile along with his own. I don’t like Outrage due to fairies being in the game and taking no damage while I’m locked by that move. This makes me lean towards D.Claw more but I may choose Outrage if fairies are not dominant in teams. This also means that his weakness is probably going to be Stealth Rock and Fairies and a few other things I didn’t mentioned (this is going to be a long post but I’m trying to keep it short. The former means I will need a Rapid Spin user and the latter is already covered. :x
I don’t want to explain too much here but not much is needed to be explained. I got spikes/stealth rock on my side and I use starmie to take those out. I thought of other spinners but a Mega Blastoise bluff is probably not going to fool anyone if I have Mawile in the team….
This leaves me with two more pokemon that I have no clue what to do…..Aegislash could be a good spinblocker and a decent attacker but Gengar could be better and a more easier pokemon to bluff a mega over Blastoise. The other slot is probably going to be my wish-user so maybe an eeveelution (say Umbreon or Sylveon) maybe best. Jirachi is also another option but I don’t think it’ll be that great of a pokemon to use…. On the other slot, a ParaFlinch Togekiss could be better….even if I can fight w/ no fairy moves. The fact that Togekiss can neutralize Dragon Moves and Ground moves is great in my opinion. :b[/COLOR]
1) Whatever you do, don't have a suicide lead anymore. Defog screws that up in the new generation. Either have no Stealth Rock and Defog, or have a Rapid Spinner and a Stealth Rocker. Depends on how much you value Stealth Rock on the opponent.
2) I'd stick with Iron Head over Toxic on Mawile. I guess I'd put the rest of the Evs in HP if you don't want to invest in Speed? Otherwise, Speed. You could also look at the speed tiers (although this is old, 5th gen) to get an idea of what you want to outspeed. (aka dump some points in speed, some in HP).
3) Thanks to Fairy being immune to Dragon, if you Outrage on a Fairy you won't stay locked into Outrage. (However, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply if you KO a Pokemon and they switch to a Fairy). Just a point for Outrage.
4) You're not going to bluff a Mega if you have a Mawile.
5) It would be quite helpful to have a Spinblocker if you end up going Stealth Rock.
6) I can't really judge the rest of your team, but you seem to be very Electric weak at the moment. Galvantara and Sticky Web is going to ruin your day.
So, I'm still trailing through the storyline, and my 6th slot is still open. Can't settle on a damn thing to fill that gap.. granted most of the time I never need it.
So far I'm running with Doublade (49), Gabite (47), Vespiqueen (51), Ferrothorn (47), and Delphox (52); I just got the psychic badge.
Do I need to worry about filling any gaps with that 6th slot? As far as HM's go I usually just pull a bird out of the box, fly from A to B, then dump it right back.
Mute Wrote:So, I'm still trailing through the storyline, and my 6th slot is still open. Can't settle on a damn thing to fill that gap.. granted most of the time I never need it.
So far I'm running with Doublade (49), Gabite (47), Vespiqueen (51), Ferrothorn (47), and Delphox (52); I just got the psychic badge.
Do I need to worry about filling any gaps with that 6th slot? As far as HM's go I usually just pull a bird out of the box, fly from A to B, then dump it right back.
I'd get a good water typing, probably clawitzer since you could use a special attacker.
K so rough draft of my team, really don't like not having SR but everything i could think of with rocks would give me too many weaknesses to ground or electric.
Any criticism?
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