Razmos Wrote:Reached a streak of 20 Single Battles in Battle Maison and got shut down by the Battle Charletain. Her Purugly and Grumpig annoyed the pineapple out of me. 2 of the pokemon I hate the most (I really do) and they just happened to hit like a truck. Purugly had Shadow Ball which it wasn't even capable of learning in 5th Gen. Her Wigglytuff tanked my full power STAB return with a normal gem, and then used Focus Blast in retaliation, fainting my Greninja in one shot.

Was using:
Greninja
Ability: Protean
Item: Normal Gem
Attacks: U-Turn, Acrobatics, Return, Power-Up Punch
Stats: 31 IV's in Attack. Attack and Speed fully EV trained.
How it worked: First turn STAB fully powered Return with a Normal Gem, second turn takes advantage of no longer holding an item by using a STAB Acrobatics. STAB U-Turn if it's a pokemon I can't deal with. STAB Power-up punch for Rock or Steel types, or to finish off a pokemon to get a nice attack boost.

Spooks (Gourgeist)
Ability: Pick Up (useless)
Item: Leftovers
Attacks: Phantom Force, Shadow Sneak, Seed Bomb, Leech Seed
Stats: around 30 IV's in Attack. Attack and Defense fully EV trained. (Also a Super Size Gourgeist, meaning it has higher Attack, HP and Defense, but has lower speed)
How it worked: Phantom Force is good for stalling, and hits really hard. Being unhittable for a turn while my Leftovers and Leech Seed go to work is really cool. Shadow Sneak to finish stuff off, Seed Bomb for brute force, Leech Seed for stalling, healing and taking down tanky pokemon.

Hypnotoed (Politoed)
Ability: Water Absorb
Item: Expert Belt (Would gladly change this out for something else, but i'm not sure what)
Attacks: Ice Beam, Psychic, Hyper Voice, Surf
Stats: 31 IV's in Attack and Sp. Attack, EV trained for Sp. Attack and Speed.
How it worked: Pretty simple really. Just a bunch of high power Special attacks for some type coverage.

What do you guys think? is this a good team? I think it needs working on.

MasPan Wrote:You've got 2 water types, which probably hurts you overall for coverage, but Politoed is pretty awesome. I'd replace him as your special sweeper for something with entirely different weaknesses from Greninja, possibly a fire or dragon type. You're definitely lacking for ground, fighting, or fire offensive capabilities (Greninja has PuP, but low base power limits it as a sweeping option).

JPTheMonkey Wrote:While the team was pomegranate in general (piss poor type coverage and movesets) I used:

Talonflame @ Nothing
Flame Body
Moves: Acrobatics, Fly, Brave Bird, Flamethrower

Greninja @ Mystic Water
Torrent
Moves: Night Slash, Waterfall, Surf, Hydro Pump

Blaziken @ Blazikenite
Speed Boost
Moves: Cut, Rock Smash, Double Kick, Blaze Kick

Both Purugly and Grumpig fell in 1-2 hits each. Only the Talonflame was EV trained (252 speed, 126 att/sp att, give or take).

For Rotation I changed Blaziken a bit to:

Moves: Cut, Brick Break, Poison Jab, Blaze Kick

What would be a good final moveset for Blaziken for use at Battle Maison and such since I won't have to deal with its ban in meta-game? May end up breeding the Blaziken for IVs later instead of just move-tutoring and super training for proper EVs.

Encyclopedic Wrote:A Talonflame with Flame Body? I'd instantly go for Gale Wings. Greninja would be better off using Protean but I guess it's too late for that now. Not sure about Blaziken, I'm afraid.

Corn Wrote:Uh, I feel like there should only be one moveset Blaziken should use, and it's


Swords Dance
Life Orb / Leftovers
Speed Boost
Jolly / Adamant

4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

~ Swords Dance
~ Hi Jump Kick
~ Protect
~ Flare Blitz

Swords Dance allows you to 1hko or 2hko everything. Protect is for scouting and nabbing another Speed Boost.

Of course, I might be completely wrong for Battle Maison purposes.

Razmos Wrote:Gonna continue this discussion in this thread rather than the other one, thanks Malthe.

I'm thinking of building a Mega Medicham, Mega Blaziken, Mega Gardevoir, Mega Mawile or Mega Aggron, but i'm not sure which one would fit my team the best.

 Lead

 Spoiler

Nature: Jolly
Ability: Sturdy
Item: Custap Berry
EV: 252 Atk/Spe, 4 Def
Moves: Stealth Rock, Spikes, Whirlwind, Taunt

Maybe be weird to have as a Custap suicide lead (Will that hold item be useful for her?) but I do need someone that can be a decent lead to put down some Stealth Rock and maybe prevent the opponent from using their own with whirlwind? I might change the EV look and put the 252 in Def instead of Spe because of the item.

 Sweeper

 Spoiler

Nature: Adamant
Ability: Intimidate/Pure Power
Item: Mawilite
EV: 252 Atk/Def, 4 Spe (?)
Moves: Play Rough, Sucker Punch, Sword Dance, Toxic/Iron Head

Like I said in the other thread, I like Mawile. For my first time to work, I plan to use her as my MegaPoke in the team as a sweeper. She’s slow so her ev set up is based on more power rather than fixing her speed. The moves depend on if I see a lot of fairies in Gen 6. If I do see a lot of fairies in the near future, Iron Head seems to be the better choice of the two so I can gain more coverage of moves but if not, I’ll stick to toxic just in case.

Despite all that, her weakness is probably going to be common especially with this pokemon running in the game once we are allowed to trade pokemon from other games:

 Spoiler

[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/b/b7/485Heatran.png/300px-485Heatran.png[/url]

This leads to the next pokemon to cover her weakness…

 MixAttacker

 Spoiler

Nature: Naive
Ability: Intimidate
Item: Life Orb
EV: 68 Atk, 188 SpA, 252 Spe
Moves: Draco Meteor, Outrage/Dragon Claw, Fire Blast, Earthquake

The best set for me to run Salamence is probably a MixAttacker because this will help against any pesky enemies of Mawile along with his own. I don’t like Outrage due to fairies being in the game and taking no damage while I’m locked by that move. This makes me lean towards D.Claw more but I may choose Outrage if fairies are not dominant in teams. This also means that his weakness is probably going to be Stealth Rock and Fairies and a few other things I didn’t mentioned (this is going to be a long post but I’m trying to keep it short. The former means I will need a Rapid Spin user and the latter is already covered. :x

 Rapid Spinner

Nature: Timid
Ability: Natural Cure
Item: Leftovers
EV: 248 Hp, 36 Def, 224 Spe

Moves: Rapid Spin, Scald, Psyshock, Recover

I don’t want to explain too much here but not much is needed to be explained. I got spikes/stealth rock on my side and I use starmie to take those out. I thought of other spinners but a Mega Blastoise bluff is probably not going to fool anyone if I have Mawile in the team….

Pewsks Wrote:Honestly a great team from what I can see. The only points I would like to make is that relying on Return as your main move can be worry-some due to the fact that it's never super effective. I understand the point though (high base power, Normal Gem to allow Acrobatic sweeping.)

As for switching out Politoed (that's what it sounds like you are leaning towards) I would recommend still using a Specially Offensive+Specially Defensive-mon. Because the rest of your team is entirely physical and both have pretty 'meh' Sp.Def naturally.

The following could be a good replacement:

Slowbro
Ability: Regenerator
Item: Assault Vest
252HP/124Sp.Def/132Sp.Atk <- You can spec more in either stat if you feel it's necessary, but a balance in both would be nice.
Modest Nature (+Sp.Atk, -Atk)
Moveset: Scald/Ice Beam/Psychic/Flamethrower

Slowbro naturally already has huge physical bulk. Assault Vest only grants it massive special bulk too, especially when you invest in the Sp.Def stats a bit. He doesn't mind Assault Vest's secondary effect (no set-up moves allowed) because he has recovery in the form of Regenerator and can burn in the form of Scald. This Slowbro is not only an attacker, but a massive tank.

As for Megas, there aren't many that fill the Specially Offensive+Defensive niche. Maybe Gardevoir?

Sadly though, I feel like Gourgeist might be a hindrance. Personally I believe there are Pokemon that can do his job much better. But that's just me looking at him on paper, I haven't tried him myself. So maybe he is good.

Icedemontrihorn Wrote:[COLOR="#008080"]Might as well put the team here since I have an idea what to do in the other thread. So here's my team~

 Lead

 Spoiler

Nature: Jolly
Ability: Sturdy
Item: Custap Berry
EV: 252 Atk/Spe, 4 Def
Moves: Stealth Rock, Spikes, Whirlwind, Taunt

Maybe be weird to have as a Custap suicide lead (Will that hold item be useful for her?) but I do need someone that can be a decent lead to put down some Stealth Rock and maybe prevent the opponent from using their own with whirlwind? I might change the EV look and put the 252 in Def instead of Spe because of the item.

 Sweeper

 Spoiler

Nature: Adamant
Ability: Intimidate/Pure Power
Item: Mawilite
EV: 252 Atk/Def, 4 Spe (?)
Moves: Play Rough, Sucker Punch, Sword Dance, Toxic/Iron Head

Like I said in the other thread, I like Mawile. For my first time to work, I plan to use her as my MegaPoke in the team as a sweeper. She’s slow so her ev set up is based on more power rather than fixing her speed. The moves depend on if I see a lot of fairies in Gen 6. If I do see a lot of fairies in the near future, Iron Head seems to be the better choice of the two so I can gain more coverage of moves but if not, I’ll stick to toxic just in case.

Despite all that, her weakness is probably going to be common especially with this pokemon running in the game once we are allowed to trade pokemon from other games:

 Spoiler

[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/b/b7/485Heatran.png/300px-485Heatran.png[/url]

This leads to the next pokemon to cover her weakness…

 MixAttacker

 Spoiler

Nature: Naive
Ability: Intimidate
Item: Life Orb
EV: 68 Atk, 188 SpA, 252 Spe
Moves: Draco Meteor, Outrage/Dragon Claw, Fire Blast, Earthquake

The best set for me to run Salamence is probably a MixAttacker because this will help against any pesky enemies of Mawile along with his own. I don’t like Outrage due to fairies being in the game and taking no damage while I’m locked by that move. This makes me lean towards D.Claw more but I may choose Outrage if fairies are not dominant in teams. This also means that his weakness is probably going to be Stealth Rock and Fairies and a few other things I didn’t mentioned (this is going to be a long post but I’m trying to keep it short. The former means I will need a Rapid Spin user and the latter is already covered. :x

 Rapid Spinner

Nature: Timid
Ability: Natural Cure
Item: Leftovers
EV: 248 Hp, 36 Def, 224 Spe

Moves: Rapid Spin, Scald, Psyshock, Recover

I don’t want to explain too much here but not much is needed to be explained. I got spikes/stealth rock on my side and I use starmie to take those out. I thought of other spinners but a Mega Blastoise bluff is probably not going to fool anyone if I have Mawile in the team….

This leaves me with two more pokemon that I have no clue what to do…..Aegislash could be a good spinblocker and a decent attacker but Gengar could be better and a more easier pokemon to bluff a mega over Blastoise. The other slot is probably going to be my wish-user so maybe an eeveelution (say Umbreon or Sylveon) maybe best. Jirachi is also another option but I don’t think it’ll be that great of a pokemon to use…. On the other slot, a ParaFlinch Togekiss could be better….even if I can fight w/ no fairy moves. The fact that Togekiss can neutralize Dragon Moves and Ground moves is great in my opinion. :b[/COLOR]

Mute Wrote:So, I'm still trailing through the storyline, and my 6th slot is still open. Can't settle on a damn thing to fill that gap.. granted most of the time I never need it.

So far I'm running with Doublade (49), Gabite (47), Vespiqueen (51), Ferrothorn (47), and Delphox (52); I just got the psychic badge.
Do I need to worry about filling any gaps with that 6th slot? As far as HM's go I usually just pull a bird out of the box, fly from A to B, then dump it right back.

KhainiWest Wrote:I'd get a good water typing, probably clawitzer since you could use a special attacker.

Mute Wrote:Is that available in Y? 'Cause iirc theres that f'ed up seahorse thing too that was the version-specific counterpart to it.

KhainiWest Wrote:Oh, no it's not. Hm, I'd focus on water, maybe azumarill? Politoad?

Mute Wrote:Just checking my boxes, all I have for water types are Remoraid and Quagsire.