Just how legit is using a controller to play MS?

I stuck this here in hopes of a nice little debate. I got on my Serious Business suit and everything.

Tons of people on Maplestory use controllers to play their characters intead of using keyboards. I'm not one of those people, so I recently learned that a controller can be set up to do things for you while you are away from the game. This type of action would be described as botting. Let's take a look at the definition of botting from Nexon's ToS:

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Engage in using macros (i.e., "macroing"), auto-looting or robot play (i.e., "botting") or any other behavior that allows you (or any character you are controlling) to automatically function or effect any action in a game with or without your presence.”

There it is, clear as day. Nexon does not appreciate people botting. So why is it people still parade around the fact they use controllers or programs to do just that like they are the legit kings of the Maple world? People normally argue that if everyone does it, it must be okay. (i.e. cursing in game.) But that’s not okay, as evident by people being banned from cursing. (Myself included.) Most people abuse Orbis PQ, does that make it okay? No. What about Bigfoot? People were gaining a ton of levels off of it when it was released, did that make it okay? No, because a massive amount of people were banned, including innocents. So just what makes it okay for you to set your controller to steal away some poor guy or girl’s Free Market spot while you piss off and do whatever else you have to do? Or what makes it okay for you to use the controller to spam clicks at inhuman speeds to get into a PQ? There is no justification for those actions. Argue it all you want, but what you’re doing is illegal according to Nexon’s ToS, therefore making you an illegit player.

Discuss.

Omg, how can we use a controller!? EXPLAIN!
Controlled + MapleStory + Beginner = OWNAGE

As far as how I see it, it seems more like if I can see my character auto-HSing, it's ok! Because I'm am there, my presence is IN the room / near the comp, but my character is automatically HS-ing. So the rules can be bent in so many ways..

Not that I do this, I don't even have a Priest character to begin with. That and auto-HSing makes you a bad Priest because you have no to little experience at actually training. Also in regards to controllers, I had a friend that used a controller. He was the only one I knew that did though.

What is there to discuss? Botting = bad. Using a control to play isn't in itself bad in any way.

Also for getting into pqs. Learn to abuse the npc chat button if you wanna click at inhuman speeds with your keyboard.

What is there to discuss? Botting = bad. Using a control to play isn't in itself bad in any way.

Also for getting into pqs. Learn to abuse the npc chat button if you wanna click at inhuman speeds with your keyboard.

You're missing the point. Tons of people bot and think they're legit. I want to read their logic and reasoning for this.

I use a controller, and although I know about those things that you can do with it on MS, I don't do them. It's not the controller that's illegit, but the way that you use it. I can't think of any possible argument in favor of using a controller for any sort of auto-clicking feature, but I don't see anything wrong with using one to play the game.

I'm pretty sure that people who bot with their controllers don't really have any logic behind what they do.. lol

You're missing the point. Tons of people bot and think they're legit. I want to read their logic and reasoning for this.

They're not the kind of people who have the integrity or mental capacity to use such things >_>. The rule on botting is one of the most clearly spelled out out of any. A lot of them know they aren't legit and just pretend they are so they can use people and inflate their ego, as if playing the game by the rules is some amazing accomplishment.

I use a controller, and although I know about those things that you can do with it on MS, I don't do them. It's not the controller that's illegit, but the way that you use it. I can't think of any possible argument in favor of using a controller for any sort of auto-clicking feature, but I don't see anything wrong with using one to play the game.

This.

I've been using a controller to play MS for over two years now, since I find it infinitely more comfortable for my fingers. Growing up playing console games, I find it much more natural (plus, the arrow keys on my keyboard are in a very awkward place.) I don't bot or steal people's FM spots, I play the game the way it was intended to be played... except that I play with a controller instead of a keyboard.

If I recall correctly, isn't there another version of MS that comes built in with the option to play using a controller? If that's the case I don't see what the problem is with using a controller as long as you're not doing something like botting.

Did you ever consider:

• Pet Auto HP = Bot - However you pay Nexon to make it legit
  
• Pet Auto MP = Bot - However you pay Nexon to make it legit
  
• AFK HS/Bless/Heal Macro = BOT, but the macro option was given by Nexon themselves. The only thing you need a a book that accidently fell on your keyboard
  
• AFK Genesis/Meteo/Blizz on right-top of Newties Map with 3000 Ginger Ales + Pet Auto HP/MP + Selling leech to buyers = Quite normal to do these days
  
• 2x EXP Cards = Hacking EXP like, but you pay Nexon to make it legit
  
• Gachapon = Hacking Meso Gain like, but you pay Nexon to make it legit
  

In fact, 95% of the maple players try to act legit, but when you are truely honest, they all cheat in some way...

Abusing a gamepad / keyboard / mouse with macro functions is just all part of it. Disabling this option won't make Maplers more "legit" then they are now... In fact you would seriously hurt the players that use gamepads normally, to avoid getting RSI at the age of 30...

And it all has to do with the retarded EXP Curve Maple has, which Nexon needs to keep gaining money for their "free" game...

Just face it, THIS is maple, if you don't like it, don't play it...

Oi vey. Let me clarify something. I don't think the controller ITSELF is illegal. It's the people who bot with it and claim to be legit people. That's the problem. You have entire FM groups destroying the economy and no one can stop them unless they become illegit themselves.

Did you ever consider:

• Pet Auto HP = Bot - However you pay Nexon to make it legit
  
• Pet Auto MP = Bot - However you pay Nexon to make it legit
  
• AFK HS/Bless/Heal Macro = BOT, but the macro option was given by Nexon themselves. The only thing you need a a book that accidently fell on your keyboard
  
• AFK Genesis/Meteo/Blizz on right-top of Newties Map with 3000 Ginger Ales + Pet Auto HP/MP + Selling leech to buyers = Quite normal to do these days
  
• 2x EXP Cards = Hacking EXP like, but you pay Nexon to make it legit
  
• Gachapon = Hacking Meso Gain like, but you pay Nexon to make it legit
  

In fact, 95% of the maple players try to act legit, but when you are truely honest, they all cheat in some way...

Abusing a gamepad / keyboard / mouse with macro functions is just all part of it. Disabling this option won't make Maplers more "legit" then they are now... In fact you would seriously hurt the players that use gamepads normally, to avoid getting RSI at the age of 30...

And it all has to do with the retarded EXP Curve Maple has, which Nexon needs to keep gaining money for their "free" game...

Just face it, THIS is maple, if you don't like it, don't play it...

This is another example of mis using things that were given to you.

Pet Auto HP / MP: Never designed with botters in mind. It was mainly implemented to help save people who die often due to lag and whatnot. Manda can't even play the game without Auto HP now because she fears death so much. F3

Macros: I don't know where Nexon was going with this, but I believe they had good intentions when designing it. Again however, the lazy people abuse it in illegit ways.

2x EXP and Gachapon are irrelevant in this. The point of all this is that the ToS clearly states that if you're AFK but your character is performing actions in game that benefit you, it is botting and therefore illegal.

Simple version

You can use a controller to play the game while you're there.

You can't use it for botting perposes (auto clicking spots, auto buff, whatever).

That's it.

There is no such thing as legit.

There is no such thing as legit.

Sure there is. Stop using bots to get your FM spots.

Now surely some one else could try and explain a LOGICAL reasoning for having to use their bots to obtain things while they're not around?

There is no such thing as legit.

Its sad to say I half agree with that

There is no such thing as legit.

I concur...

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Oi vey. Let me clarify something. I don't think the controller ITSELF is illegal. It's the people who bot with it and claim to be legit people. That's the problem. You have entire FM groups destroying the economy and no one can stop them unless they become illegit themselves.



This is another example of mis using things that were given to you.

Pet Auto HP / MP: Never designed with botters in mind. It was mainly implemented to help save people who die often due to lag and whatnot. Manda can't even play the game without Auto HP now because she fears death so much. F3

Macros: I don't know where Nexon was going with this, but I believe they had good intentions when designing it. Again however, the lazy people abuse it in illegit ways.

2x EXP and Gachapon are irrelevant in this. The point of all this is that the ToS clearly states that if you're AFK but your character is performing actions in game that benefit you, it is botting and therefore illegal.

you are so wrong. auto potting was a hack. using one button to do multiple things was a hack.pets looting the drops is like having a mini vaccer getting all the drops which was a hack known as auto loot. these features were added in the game to make it even. so the so call "legits" wont be at a disadvantage when it comes to training and lvling more so they can spend more nx.

Nexon's philosophy of making money and keeping their "legit" customers happy is "IF YOU CANT BEAT THEM JOIN THEM".

IIRC, it was NxProse who recently said he sees nothing wrong with playing with a controller and that they've talked about more compatible features for using one.

If you do normal stuff with your controller, it's like if you were playing with your feet: Nobody will care, nobody can prove you are using it, and it makes no difference to the game. That is, if you are a wonderful feet player, since I have yet to see someone playing maplestory with their feet...

If you do normal stuff with your controller, it's like if you were playing with your feet: Nobody will care, nobody can prove you are using it, and it makes no difference to the game. That is, if you are a wonderful feet player, since I have yet to see someone playing maplestory with their feet...

I'm picturing a DDR player on MapleStory... XD I would so do that.



As far as I'm concerned, it's not legit if Nexon hasn't authorised it, and if it gives you an unfair advantage over other players.