Marksman or Bowmaster

I doubt BM are this unmotivated and disillusioned with their class that half of the Top 100 in a server hardly play anymore.

I don't know about class differences, but I've been disillusioned with Nexon, really. That's why I haven't been training. I suppose people who are disappointed with their Marksmen can use that as a reason as well. Individual reasons may vary. Still, I don't think those Marksmen have been quitting their characters for other characters; I think they've been outright quitting. I think that says more for the game than the class.

I've actually started an archer and want to make it into a marksman. I think that marksmen are a lot more fun and strategic to play, especially now with walking pierce, and that's what interests me more than purely damage. Bowmasters' plowing down of everything in sight with mainly only one skill doesn't really appeal to me, even if the damage is better. I don't think marksmen's damage is all that bad anyways; besides, in a group of 30 people, the difference between one bowmaster and one marksman is like a difference of a couple seconds in the boss battle, and you'll still get taken to bosses for sharps eyes anyways. That's my opinion on which class I'd rather be. Plus, crossbow scrolls are a lot cheaper.

I really like this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_tYTgnBkkE because it shows a lot about the playing strategy you can use as a marksman. Too bad effective training nowadays mostly involves leeching off an ultimate spammer.

Also... if you're not laggy, I don't think you have any reason to die at squids past the first 10 minutes. After 10 minutes, you should realize that the only thing that does more than 150 damage to you is Goby Houses, Purple Squid lightning, and touch damage. Black squids are laughably weak. I hope you were talking about Purple Squids, but even so, you shouldn't die there unless you absolutely cannot keep your eyes open while you train. Even they do pathetic damage for their level. Spirit vikings do more than triple as much damage with their ranged attack. Dying at squids pretty much means you lag, you can't pay attention, you don't have enough HP to take a hit, or you suck at this game. Sorry to be the condescending one, but I can't believe (non-laggy) people die at squids.

Took me about an hour or so and 6-7 deaths to finally pound in that my HP always had to be above 1500.

It's a pretty common sense thing, but when previous monsters do 200-300 damage, you don't automatically do that right away. That's why I love Windraiders; a good transitional amount of touch/magic damage, not quite as high as real 'Ludi-syndrome' monsters but much more than the crap that V/H and the like dish out.

Took me about an hour or so and 6-7 deaths to finally pound in that my HP always had to be above 1500.

It's a pretty common sense thing, but when previous monsters do 200-300 damage, you don't automatically do that right away. That's why I love Windraiders; a good transitional amount of touch/magic damage, not quite as high as real 'Ludi-syndrome' monsters but much more than the crap that V/H and the like dish out.

That was my problem lol. I'd let my HP go too low, and then I'd be pineappleed when a Squid decided to spawn on top of me. After being used to H/Voodoo damage, it's kinda a harsh damage increase, no?

or you suck at this game.

Just because I'm used to taking 300 damage from a V/Hoodoo as opposed to 1700 from a squid doesn't mean I suck at the game.

I've actually started an archer and want to make it into a marksman. I think that marksmen are a lot more fun and strategic to play, especially now with walking pierce, and that's what interests me more than purely damage. Bowmasters' plowing down of everything in sight with mainly only one skill doesn't really appeal to me, even if the damage is better. I don't think marksmen's damage is all that bad anyways; besides, in a group of 30 people, the difference between one bowmaster and one marksman is like a difference of a couple seconds in the boss battle, and you'll still get taken to bosses for sharps eyes anyways. That's my opinion on which class I'd rather be. Plus, crossbow scrolls are a lot cheaper.

I really like this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_tYTgnBkkE because it shows a lot about the playing strategy you can use as a marksman. Too bad effective training nowadays mostly involves leeching off an ultimate spammer.

Wow, last night, i like made my decision for BM.. now your convicing me again. Lol. Can you walk with pierce? i did not know that.

That video gave me more inspiration for my Xbow.

Shweet.

Well since you chose BM, your either going to have to play it out or just start over.

Wow, last night, i like made my decision for BM.. now your convicing me again. Lol. Can you walk with pierce? i did not know that.

Both classes are pretty much the same for bossing... keep the NLs with fresh SE. However the regular grinding strategy for both BM and MM doesn't differ much since the main goal of the supportive skills is keeping your distance with the monsters. Anyway freezing is more effective and as BM i don't find nice having to spend a huge ammount of srocks for my hawk while MM can do it with articuno...

In terms of attacking skills I think MM has way too many mobbing skills and therefore some 3rd job ones get kinda replaced. This doesn't happen with BM. SOA doesn't replace strafe in any way.

Training for BM is rather expensive (or not as cheap as MM)at early lvls but then you kill stuff so fast that you don't even get hit.

Let's say u wanna goby as 4th jobber.

MM can snipe - pierce the house (correct me if wrong)
BM can soa - AR + phoenix

you still get new ways of killing stuff. I enjoy playing my BM but i also enjoy watching my MM friend train (he can hit 10k+++ per strafe arrow)

MM's strafe the house, then pierce the gobies. but, a lv 140 MM at gobies...?

SOA doesn't replace strafe in any way.

What the pineapple are you talking about?

SoA=Storm of Arrows=Hurricane.

I think the comment was more in line of "yes it does", considering most BMs I know don't even have strafe mapped anymore...

My friend wants me to play this PS with him, it's 600x EXP. I'm going to make both BM and MM , and get them to 160~170, then i'm pretty sure i'll be decided.

ugh, this thread is still here.

dont take it personally i am not trying to flame but i hate these threads. it is your decision, why would people decide for you?

Nigguh. I'm trying to get opinions from ppls who have played these jobs.

ugh, this thread is still here.

dont take it personally i am not trying to flame but i hate these threads. it is your decision, why would people decide for you?

It's not like he's saying "you tell me what I should be." It's more along the lines of him collecting information of what it's like being both classes, and finding out their strengths and weaknesses so he can make an educated decision of what he'll enjoy more.

Just because I'm used to taking 300 damage from a V/Hoodoo as opposed to 1700 from a squid doesn't mean I suck at the game.

Don't blame it on the monsters. You have more than enough HP to survive there and this game is easy. If it really takes you 10+ deaths and two weeks to learn to keep your HP high, (Or actually, you never learned to do it, did you?) then yes -- you do suck at this game.

This doesn't happen with BM. SOA doesn't replace strafe in any way.

To clarify a bit on Joe's reaction, Hurricane does entirely replace Strafe in 99% of all situations. The only time I can think of to use it is to jump-shoot over an enemy's attack (Skelegon, Left Prelim HT head) or to jump-shoot over a gap. So it's very understandable that most BMs don't have it keyed. I only have it keyed because I have extra keys and nothing better to put there.

To clarify a bit on Joe's reaction, Hurricane does entirely replace Strafe in 99% of all situations. The only time I can think of to use it is to jump-shoot over an enemy's attack (Skelegon, Left Prelim HT head) or to jump-shoot over a gap. So it's very understandable that most BMs don't have it keyed. I only have it keyed because I have extra keys and nothing better to put there.

And taking out Pap/Pianus bombs. But that just about covers it :3

Oh, and Squids DOES take MOST people quite a bit of practice. Mostly because they use the wrong pots, or such, but it's not as easy as you make it out to be. Took me at least half an hour to lose all risk of dying there.

From what I've been reading: You want to Freeze sh'it and you also want to Boss.

Pick Marksmen. We can boss, provide SE just like Bowmasters AND we get FREEZE.

Oh, and Squids DOES take MOST people quite a bit of practice. Mostly because they use the wrong pots, or such, but it's not as easy as you make it out to be. Took me at least half an hour to lose all risk of dying there.

30 minutes is fairly normal to get used to a new map and figure out how high you need to keep your HP. Two weeks+, not so much.

I've used both jobs before on another server but all I can say is that Marksmans are slow but high damaging attackers whereas Bowmasters are the opposites.

Bowmaster:
Hurricane is the best DPS skill in the bowman skillbook.

Bowmaster gets fire elemtnal abilities and they deal more damage than ice abilities but they don't incaitate monsters in any way unlike ice elemental abilities.


Marksman
Snipe deals probably the highest single damage in the game but at max, you can shoot like once in every 15 seconds which kinda evens it out.

Marksman has ice elemental abilities thus it can freeze mobs with blizzard and frostprey.

This is just a small overview of the skills you'd be using if you ever reach 70+ in Yellonde.

30 minutes is fairly normal to get used to a new map and figure out how high you need to keep your HP. Two weeks+, not so much.

When did I say I tried it for two weeks? Chances are, I was using the wrong pot. I like to save money, as I usually don't have much of it. Don't even respond to me if you're just going to keep trolling me. I could care less about your stuck-up, rude opinion, leave me alone.