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Marksman or Bowmaster - Sihan - 2008-10-16
I might start a new bowman in yellonde, i just don't know which path, i'm willing to gach alot, and be well funded ( int equips and stuff, for HP wash)
I'm planning on making a pretty godly bowman, can someone tell me the pros and cons of both? I've made every other class except for bowman, so i know nothing.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Roxas - 2008-10-16
[SIZE="2"]This is just my opinion, having played both Bowmaster AND Marksmen;
I love Marksmen, I love freezing things, and the powerful mob attacks, everything about them. They are so much fun, this is what I would reccomend you.
Bowmasters, yeah.. Hurricane got boring after a while, but my Marksmen was always fun to play, it had a diversity of skills.
Furthermore, seeing as you're in Yellonde, a Marksmen would save more money than a Bowmaster would, since they Freeze.
Marksmen all the way![/SIZE]
Marksman or Bowmaster - Greg22 - 2008-10-16
Like all the other classes, it really depends on how far you plan on going. But seeing how you've made every class except for a bowman, and you plan on making a 'pretty godly' one, I'm just going to assume you're going for 4th.
Marksmen don't need 'godly' equipment to be very powerful. While they don't really have a new attack like Bowmaster's Hurricane (Which usually isn't maxed until during 14x anyways), they're still the best bossing class and can pretty much tank it at any place they can survive at. Snipers also get to take advantage of Blizzard during 3rd job, which is really helpful in training, along with Frostprey in 4th; both prove to be more useful than a Ranger/Bowmaster's Inferno/Phoenix.
Plus, scrolls are all below 1.5m, and 118+ Crossbows are only around 650m. It'll be a lot easier to make yourself powreful if you take the Crossbowman route.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Rei - 2008-10-16
There's a reason tons of Marksmen are inactive.
If you're planning to get to 4th job at all, Bowmaster will definitely be worth your while.
Though I'd have to say Crossbow > Bow at both second and third job, with the new boost in Iron Arrow and the simple fact that you can freeze in third.
Sure you spam one skill as a Bowmaster, but what the hell? This is Maple Story, nothing in it is really much from the normal, dull grind.
I say you should go for Bowmaster.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Greg22 - 2008-10-16
Mmm, I understand you're just giving your opinion, Rei, but a 15x Marksman that states that a Bowmaster has a better 4th confuses me. What makes their Hurricane any better than what you've got by 155? What're you facing as a Marksman that has you unmotivated? Your response could influence the OP's decision.
Marksman or Bowmaster - RachelGreene - 2008-10-16
Definitely Bowmaster. Marksman sucks.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Sihan - 2008-10-16
Your guy's opinion helped alot.
I like bowmaster because bows look cooler and hurricane is the skill that is “flashy”
Marks are strongs, and freeze starting from 3rd jobs will be really cool and will help a lot, also frosprey.
I guess I’ll go try out a Marksman, I’ll need a lot of help and advices though, never made an archer before…
Marksman or Bowmaster - RachelGreene - 2008-10-16
Trust me, you will regret it when u hit high level if u make a marksman. I would so remake a new char if i hadn't spent a lot on hp wash and crap. And marksman ain't that strong, i'm pretty sure i outgeared a lot of bowmasters at my level, but they can still easily ks me. And since u want a godly one, BM is definitely the answer. But if you stil insist on making a marksman, then the first thing you need to do is to make sure than u can find a decent crossbow level 80+. From my experience,when i was lvl 80, it was mad hard to find a decent weapon and that's when i was still in scania.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Sihan - 2008-10-16
RachelGreene Wrote:Trust me, you will regret it when u hit high level if u make a marksman. I would so remake a new char if i hadn't spent a lot on hp wash and crap. And marksman ain't that strong, i'm pretty sure i outgeared a lot of bowmasters at my level, but they can still easily ks me. And since u want a godly one, BM is definitely the answer.
Why is Bowmaster better?
And, how do they KS you easily?
Marksman or Bowmaster - Findings - 2008-10-16
Bowmasters are better at single targets and Marksmen are better at mobs, just as the difference in 4th job skills would imply. Currently the game is more biased to Bowmasters than Marksmen.
Both classes train at a very similar speed during the endgame because Skeles are so slow and neither class has any difficultly killing them (Bowmasters don't need freeze because they typically kill Skeles before they are hit by them). If a map such as one like Gobies were released with higher level monsters, Marksmen would definitely be on top again. At bosses, Bowmasters are more desired just because they kill faster, however, there are exceptions when they're being knocked back so much that it would be better to attack with 4 arrows of Strafe than just shoot of 1 arrow of Hurricane and have the stream interrupted. The only example of this would be at Horntail, particularly before the tail is killed where you'll see BMs using Strafe instead of Hurricane. NLs are where are the damage comes from in parties though, so what will be much more important is your survivability (HP). As for soloing bosses, Bowmasters are clearly superior and I doubt I have to go into any detail with the time results of solos showing this many times over. Anego/Pap/Pianus/Zak/etc. don't hit often enough (or in some cases not at all) for it to impact Hurricane enough that Strafe is better. And since Marksmen only have Strafe and all of the bosses are single targets for the majority of the fight...well, the rest is self explanatory. I'm sure Snipe being increased to 200k would make things a little more fair though. I would say just choose based on if you like mobbing or picking things off one by one, since that's how they seem to be divided.
Marksman or Bowmaster - JoeTang - 2008-10-16
Greg Wrote:What makes their Hurricane any better than what you've got by 155? What're you facing as a Marksman that has you unmotivated?
Have you ever seen a Marksman try to ks a Bow Master?
Marksman or Bowmaster - Sihan - 2008-10-16
Findings Wrote:Bowmasters are better at single targets and Marksmen are better at mobs, just as the difference in 4th job skills would imply. Currently the game is more biased to Bowmasters than Marksmen.
Both classes train at a very similar speed during the endgame because Skeles are so slow and neither class has any difficultly killing them (Bowmasters don't need freeze because they typically kill Skeles before they are hit by them). If a map such as one like Gobies were released with higher level monsters, Marksmen would definitely be on top again. At bosses, Bowmasters are more desired just because they kill faster, however, there are exceptions when they're being knocked back so much that it would be better to attack with 4 arrows of Strafe than just shoot of 1 arrow of Hurricane and have the stream interrupted. The only example of this would be at Horntail, particularly before the tail is killed where you'll see BMs using Strafe instead of Hurricane. NLs are where are the damage comes from in parties though, so what will be much more important is your survivability (HP). As for soloing bosses, Bowmasters are clearly superior and I doubt I have to go into any detail with the time results of solos showing this many times over. Anego/Pap/Pianus/Zak/etc. don't hit often enough (or in some cases not at all) for it to impact Hurricane enough that Strafe is better. And since Marksmen only have Strafe and all of the bosses are single targets for the majority of the fight...well, the rest is self explanatory. I'm sure Snipe being increased to 200k would make things a little more fair though. I would say just choose based on if you like mobbing or picking things off one by one, since that's how they seem to be divided.
Mob or single doesn't really matter, once i hit 13x, i would like to start solo'ing bosses, so i guess i should go with BM? I like the freeze of MM though.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Dusk - 2008-10-16
Let the OP make his own damn choice. Statements like "you will regret doing such and such are unfounded and simply confuse the person asking the question. They are merely an outlet for expressing biased opinions without helping the decision-making process. The OP has been leaning towards making a MM and will most likely end up doing so, there is no need to make (him?) start out the character with the impression that he is inferior before even starting his build.
Yes, the two classes have unique advantages and disadvantages. Marksmen, lacking Hurricane, are obviously not as powerful vs. single targets. But that does not make them a poor choice of a character. Marksmen typically handle training situations better than my BM does. They have a decent-sized arsenal of 4th job skills that are very versatile, as opposed to BMs, who can almost get away with taking every skill but Hurricane off their key settings, but suffer in situations where Hurricane is less effective. Marksmen also have the advantage of higher base damage, freezing (in addition to the archer's already quite large arsenal of disablling/stunning skills), and an easier time in 2nd and 3rd job.
MMs aren't as desirable as BMs at bosses, at least in the current version of the game, because they can't match the raw single-target damage of BMs. That's not really saying much. Few classes can. NLs with SE, BMs, and Heroes outclass other classes in terms of DPS by a significant margin, so that MMs are ignored. That doesn't mean that they can't still output a good amount of damage, nor does it mean that it's impossible to boss as a MM. MM still outdamage a number of other classes - DrKs, WKs (comparable to their holy weak damage), Shadowers, and all magician classes. Marksmen still have SE, so that makes them at least more helpful than all of the listed classes but Bishops and DrKs. Look at Devil's DPS comparisons in the Training Center Sticky and knock down every class except BMs, MMs, and DrKs a bit for having only 60% mastery. It's not nearly as bad as it sounds.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Sihan - 2008-10-16
I think i will make a Marksman, the thing is, i like freezing, and will try to be the top MM in Yellonde, since there are none atm.
Thank you, all of you for your greatful and honest oppinions, it helped alot.
Marksman or Bowmaster - butterfλi - 2008-10-16
Dusk Wrote:Let the OP make his own damn choice. Statements like "you will regret doing such and such are unfounded and simply confuse the person asking the question. They are merely an outlet for expressing biased opinions without helping the decision-making process. The OP has been leaning towards making a MM and will most likely end up doing so, there is no need to make (him?) start out the character with the impression that he is inferior before even starting his build.Maple is not like balanced games. The game clearly favors one class over another. If it didn't the archmages and bishops would be the best of friends, just like how shadowers and NLs are. The only reason to play an 'inferior' class is because you like playing it, regardless of how weak it may be. If you like freezing things, knock yourself out.
Marksman or Bowmaster - KaidaTan - 2008-10-16
Greg Wrote:Mmm, I understand you're just giving your opinion, Rei, but a 15x Marksman that states that a Bowmaster has a better 4th confuses me. What makes their Hurricane any better than what you've got by 155? What're you facing as a Marksman that has you unmotivated? Your response could influence the OP's decision.
I think you're confusing opinion and fact. I think we can all agree that Bowmasters are better than Marksmen at this point, hence it's a fact. Tell me that Bowmasters aren't more desirable than Marksmen in.... any situation. It's sad, but true. Their single target DPS doesn't quite match up and this game isn't built for mobbing unless you can hit the whole screen instantly. (e.g. Something's wrong with your mob skill if I can kill the same size mob with a single target skill in roughly the same time.)
I can agree that Marksmen are generally more interesting though. Bowmasters don't use much else than Hurricane but Marksmen can use a much greater variety of skills. But I guess that's also a lot to do with where you train. Newties are boring as hell; I think no matter what class you are (except Magicians) you can make Skelegons interesting and funish.
I still think Bowmasters are pretty fun though. Yeah Hurricane gets boring but there's plenty of things we can do that Marksmen (or most classes, really) can't do. Bowmasters are made for bossing. We're the only class that can realistically solo BG A, B, and Grandpa Boss. We're one of two classes that can nail Anego to a wall. And hell, if it weren't for those damned Onyx Apples, we'd be on par with NLs in damage at bosses. For the boss hunter, Bowmasters are the most fun class. (lol 6 minute-Pap without apples)
I guess a lot of high level Marksmen have disappeared, eh? Even if Carlos didn't get hacked, he'd have quit for Pirates anyway. Still, I'd like to mention that it doesn't matter that the people who quit are Marksmen. Rather, a lot of people have been disappearing lately; Bowmaster, Marksman, and NL alike. Why? Because this is just a boring game when you get down to it. When you hit 170 or so your SP matters very little anymore. A measly 5 dex per level up doesn't matter so much any more. I'd say that if you play past 160 you either really enjoy your class or you're completely mindless and otherwise bored.
EDIT: Oh whoops, I forgot to hit reply an hour ago and now my post is much further down than I intended. Hi Rei~
Marksman or Bowmaster - Findings - 2008-10-16
While Freeze would be fun to have, and very useful in 3rd job, by the time you get to 4th job it just isn't necessary with Hurricane KBing everything and keeping things at a safe distance, and Dragon Breath in case anything spawns too close. But I would imagine having to rely on all your skills would be much more fun than the end all solution that Hurricane turns out to be. All you do when you train at Skeles as a Bowmaster is walk back and forth tapping the Hurricane key, and if you don't want to pay any attention whatsoever, just summon Hawk instead of Phoenix and things will hardly ever get in your way.
The Marksman that I used to train with could climb a rope in the middle of a platform, Blizzard half the platform, charge up his pierce, let his Frostprey hit the enemies coming to hit him from the other side, unleash the Pierce and finish off the ones in front, then do the same to the other side. Even though that wouldn't always work out perfectly and he might get bumped, it certainly required more strategy than anything I did.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Sihan - 2008-10-16
Well, this is a really hard descision.
Because
1. If i choose MM, i want to be the top of the strongest MM in Yellonde.
2. I like to boss alot, and solo bosses, so i guess MM's suck at that job.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Corn - 2008-10-16
Actually, if Nexon kills the cap, Marksmen would almost equal bowmaster due to Snipe.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Sihan - 2008-10-16
Findings Wrote:While Freeze would be fun to have, and very useful in 3rd job, by the time you get to 4th job it just isn't necessary with Hurricane KBing everything and keeping things at a safe distance, and Dragon Breath in case anything spawns too close. But I would imagine having to rely on all your skills would be much more fun than the end all solution that Hurricane turns out to be. All you do when you train at Skeles as a Bowmaster is walk back and forth tapping the Hurricane key, and if you don't want to pay any attention whatsoever, just summon Hawk instead of Phoenix and things will hardly ever get in your way.
The Marksman that I used to train with could climb a rope in the middle of a platform, Blizzard half the platform, charge up his pierce, let his Frostprey hit the enemies coming to hit him from the other side, unleash the Pierce and finish off the ones in front, then do the same to the other side. Even though that wouldn't always work out perfectly and he might get bumped, it certainly required more strategy than anything I did.
That sounds like a good strategy to train with, and sounds like fun.
And, i'm pretty sure nexon will kill the cap. But BMs will still solo bosses faster.
