Heroes of Newerth.

HoN is waste of time. They just copy dota and make you pay 10 bucks for it. I rather play on the WC3 engine than the HoN engine. Dota2 is going to lower the population of both LoL and HoN

They just copy dota and make you pay 10 bucks for it.

Nope, HoN is not just a copy of DotA, if you believe that then obviously you've made your opinion about something without actually trying it. They feel like two very different games.

All "Denying" does is make you click twice as much in the game. How is that a better system? Make the most boring aspect of MOBA games even more boring / tedious?

Not true, being able to deny changes the metagame a lot, without denying a trilane would never work for example, and that's a fun aspect of HoN IMO.
But could this thread stop being a DotA vs LoL vs HoN vs DotA thread? It's really bothersome and they're all great games and we all have different opinions

You can't have duplicate heroes in "ranked" / tourney play.
All "Denying" does is make you click twice as much in the game. How is that a better system? Make the most boring aspect of MOBA games even more boring / tedious?

Laning is only the most boring part of the game in LoL because there is no denying and early tower pushes and harassment are much harder to pull off. Denying isn't just clicking twice as much, it forces you to compete for last hits and makes harassment much more effective.

You're telling me that if I don't spend a penny on LoL, then it's still not a free game? What kind of logic is that?
The game is free, because you have the OPTION to spend money on the game or not, it's entirely OPTIONAL. It's the same concept for Nexon games. You have the OPTION to spend money on NX, but that doesn't mean the game isn't "Free to Play" all of a sudden, especially when you can enjoy the game to the fullest without having to spend a penny.

Yes sure its free to play I got that point ages ago but to me its not. If I need to play forever or pay for the game to access new content its the same thing as buying the upgrade for WoW. Out of what I can understand buying a champion from just playing the game takes around 15 matches. Now one match takes around what 30 min to 90 min? 60 min on avg multiplied with 15 is 15 WHOLE HOURS. In hon you pay 20(10) dollars and you got everything. Dont tell me you cant find a job and make 20 dollars in 15 hours because if you think that LoL is free open your eyes bro, its not in the big picture.

Yes sure its free to play I got that point ages ago but to me its not. If I need to play forever or pay for the game to access new content its the same thing as buying the upgrade for WoW. Out of what I can understand buying a champion from just playing the game takes around 15 matches. Now one match takes around what 30 min to 90 min? 60 min on avg multiplied with 15 is 15 WHOLE HOURS. In hon you pay 20(10) dollars and you got everything. Dont tell me you cant find a job and make 20 dollars in 15 hours because if you think that LoL is free open your eyes bro, its not in the big picture.

I like how you're expressing your opinion as if it's fact, nevertheless you clearly have a different definition of "Free".

You can buy champs through playtime, not just through IRL money.

You can't have duplicate heroes in "ranked" / tourney play.
All "Denying" does is make you click twice as much in the game. How is that a better system? Make the most boring aspect of MOBA games even more boring / tedious?

Every game in HoN is ranked, or so I hear from one of my 1800 ELO friends. Denying is not "double clicking". Denying is watching your creep's HP in addition to your opponent's. Adds a layer of skill, but also slows the game down because then laning REALLY becomes meta. Slows the rest of the game down IMO because of less gold. Then again, HoN in general is a more passive game with higher cooldowns and mana costs.

Yes sure its free to play I got that point ages ago but to me its not. If I need to play forever or pay for the game to access new content its the same thing as buying the upgrade for WoW. Out of what I can understand buying a champion from just playing the game takes around 15 matches. Now one match takes around what 30 min to 90 min? 60 min on avg multiplied with 15 is 15 WHOLE HOURS. In hon you pay 20(10) dollars and you got everything. Dont tell me you cant find a job and make 20 dollars in 15 hours because if you think that LoL is free open your eyes bro, its not in the big picture.

It certainly does not take 15 matches to get a champion, and 60 minutes is not the average for a game.

You can buy the more ridiculously cheap champions for like...what, 2 matches, if you're under level 10. That, together, takes an hour (the average game takes 38 minutes). Not to mention the free champions of the week, so you can test out new champions and see if you like them.

LoL is one of the more truly free games I have ever seen. You do not want to play all of the champions, obviously. Maybe like, what, 5-10? There'll be champions you hate and champions you like. The only reason you would like to want to pay real cash is to buy skins, and I already installed custom skins for that (true, no one else can see them, but a lot of custom skins are better than the real ones).

People have their preferences, and I just wanted to clear this up. LoL is basically free.

Every game in HoN is ranked, or so I hear from one of my 1800 ELO friends. Denying is not "double clicking". Denying is watching your creep's HP in addition to your opponent's. Adds a layer of skill, but also slows the game down because then laning REALLY becomes meta. Slows the rest of the game down IMO because of less gold. Then again, HoN in general is a more passive game with higher cooldowns and mana costs.

It definitely makes the game snowball extremely hard, that's for sure.
Also what I mean by "Double clicking" is you have to last hit your own minions in addition to your enemy's. I didn't mean for it to be like it turns the entire game into a "Double clicking" massacre. I won't deny the skillcap in HoN though.
And yes, all games are "Ranked" by default in HoN. I think the default "ELO" for them is 1500 I believe?

I dunno, denying seems like a extra workload that i can live without it. I rather focus on harrasing the enemy since if i manage to get them both out of the lane, i can cut their exp/gold like if i were denying i guess. Especially on 5vs5 Map where it can take some good time to return to the lane without Move speed or teleport spell/movement skills.

I dunno, denying seems like a extra workload that i can live without it. I rather focus on harrasing the enemy since if i manage to get them both out of the lane, i can cut their exp/gold like if i were denying i guess. Especially on 5vs5 Map where it can take some good time to return to the lane without Move speed or teleport spell/movement skills.

That's the thing about top end HoN players, they can deny AND harass at the same time, causing double the damage.

Slows the rest of the game down IMO because of less gold. Then again, HoN in general is a more passive game with higher cooldowns and mana costs.

I know this is your opinion, but this is not really true :x
Denying doesnt slow the game down, it rather gives you an ability to stomp your opponent so much more.
And HoN is far far from a passive game, we might have higher cooldowns and bigger mana costs, but then again, if we combo someone they die from it, and stunlock downs are a bit easier to do in HoN than in LoL.
A combo like Myrmidon(HoN unique hero) and behemoth(earthshaker) can stunnlock an enemy for up to 7 seconds or so if comboed right. That + auto attacks kills most heroes early on. And trilanes can be defensive (melee carries often, but it can be ranged too) or they can be offensive, an offensive trilane could be aluna(HoN unique hero) Myrmidon and hammerstorm(Sven) or Magmus.

It definitely makes the game snowball extremely hard, that's for sure.
And yes, all games are "Ranked" by default in HoN. I think the default "ELO" for them is 1500 I believe?

Yea it's 1500 but there are no-stat games too along with a casual mode. Casual mode is extremely boring if you're playing it seriously, to me it's just a mode to fool around in due to how much easier it is. (No gold loss etc, it's a bit like EM from DotA just a bit different)
And game snowballing is actually extremely easier in HoN and DotA, soulstealer/nevermore is an example, they are the best recovering heroes in the game and if they have a good start they snowball into horrors for the other team, same goes for a hag/pebbles(Queen of pain/tiny), they aren't that good at recovering but with a good start they'll snowball into killing squishies left and right all the time.

I dunno, denying seems like a extra workload that i can live without it. I rather focus on harrasing the enemy since if i manage to get them both out of the lane, i can cut their exp/gold like if i were denying i guess. Especially on 5vs5 Map where it can take some good time to return to the lane without Move speed or teleport spell/movement skills.

In HoN you have a 135 gold item that lets you teleport to an allied structure, you use that to return to the lane. It's not extra workload, it simply makes the game harder. We have skills like plague rider/Lich king that lets you completely deny a creep from full hp where normally it's when they drop below 25(?)% hp that you can start denying.

That's the thing about top end HoN players, they can deny AND harass at the same time, causing double the damage.

Yep, but it's mostly not the carries job to harass, it's mostly the babysitters job, depends on the carry though, some just have the harass potential, and it depends on the lanes ofcourse.

Apparently HoN is free now ?_?

Apparently HoN is free now ?_?

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/07/29/heroes...-separate/
Yep, 15 rotating heroes.
Glad to have a legacy account myself.

LoL junkies should come play HoN with the kool kids 8)

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Above is a joke ofcourse.

...can you buy heroes not in the 15 with some in-game currency, or is it all those token things? If it's the latter they're still going to be losing out to LoL if that's what they were aiming for.

Dark, DotA2 is going to have denies it is a huge aspect of the entire metagame. You'd better get used to the concept. Or not and if we ever play i'll lane into you into the ground.

...can you buy heroes not in the 15 with some in-game currency, or is it all those token things? If it's the latter they're still going to be losing out to LoL if that's what they were aiming for.

HoN has gold and silver coins, one is earned from playing the other from buying, should be easy to figure out which does what.

And http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/f2p_faq.php

tl;dr: You can earn them ingame as well.

It sounds like they're copying LoL. Are there multiple game modes in HoN, like the way DotA has cm and rd mode? Picking teams is important in DotA and the whole buying heroes thing kind of destroys that.

It sounds like they're copying LoL. Are there multiple game modes in HoN, like the way DotA has cm and rd mode? Picking teams is important in DotA and the whole buying heroes thing kind of destroys that.

Yes HoN has multiple game modes and they got it covered, it's all answered in the FAQ.

Terrible terrible terrible move by s2. Making it free might be acceptable but the way they did it was just horrible. Right now you can buy the heroes in shop or play the 15 heroes which change each week. The only problem about this is that some heroes such as sand wraith is AMAZINGLY cheap but then are some heroes like parasite which are sick expensive. Funny thing about this is that sand wraith is a good team fight hero, parasite is just.. trash? But on avg after 75 matches you will have around 500-700 silver coins and if one hero cost 650 silver coins, dont expect new players to enjoy the alt avatars, announcer packs etc. Make the heroes cost 90 silver coins each and 40 gold coins each or make it p2p again.. (just so you know, if you want to buy every single hero in game you have to pay a total of 200-300 dollars which is 10x of the old price for hon.)

Old members like myself get everything els in the future for free but this system WILL NOT bring new players to hon.

...level 5? If HoN levels are like LoL levels...