[1.2.133] Archer Jump!
Abysseon Wrote:Drain arrow is a great skill for maps with a pot cooldown *points to empress*:

[video=youtube;VULK1pXf3GI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VULK1pXf3GI[/video]

That's why I want train so much. VL solo's and upcoming Empress. I'm very stoked.

As far as that BM, he's pretty pro.

Where do you get these videos?
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White Wrote:That's why I want train so much. VL solo's and upcoming Empress. I'm very stoked.

As far as that BM, he's pretty pro.

Where do you get these videos?

That BM is so loaded.. o.o
140655 DoT w/ 140% DoT = 100467 top range.
85397~100467 range.
Nice..
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What about spirit link though?
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Abysseon Wrote:[video=youtube;0CubGa3N1W4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CubGa3N1W4&feature=player_embedded[/video]

That's quite like a NL there. But more variety though :p
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Takebacker Wrote:What about spirit link though?

I don't see why Spirit Link would boost DoT damage.
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Abysseon Wrote:Drain arrow is a great skill for maps with a pot cooldown *points to empress*:

[video=youtube;VULK1pXf3GI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VULK1pXf3GI[/video]

nexon needs to fix so that phoenix/frostprey's range is the same as bow's range. that phoenix was pretty much a waste of space lol
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Locked Wrote:That BM is so loaded.. o.o
140655 DoT w/ 140% DoT = 100467 top range.
85397~100467 range.
Nice..

I'm actually looking at his hurricane. Now, I know there's more def on those mobs than say Toad, but atm I can cap at 146k cane's at toad w/ buffs and stew. With SLTonguehoenix and that leafre atk pot, he's got more atk than I do w/ stew. Assuming mw30 as well. He was doing what, 260k's? Now keep in mind that's 220% cane vs my 200% cane, and a higher multiplier for bows, and the 40 dex from IS and the bonus atk buff from Dark Angelic ring so....I don't think I could do as much as he is just yet, but I think I could do somewhat similar damage, unless i'm way off. I also don't know what %ignore pdr he has on his wep either.

SLTonguehoenix boosts damage range thus boosting DoT. When i'm on concentrate my DoT is 22k ish, without concentrate it's 18-19k.
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White Wrote:I'm actually looking at his hurricane. Now, I know there's more def on those mobs than say Toad, but atm I can cap at 146k cane's at toad w/ buffs and stew. With SLTonguehoenix and that leafre atk pot, he's got more atk than I do w/ stew. Assuming mw30 as well. He was doing what, 260k's? Now keep in mind that's 220% cane vs my 200% cane, and a higher multiplier for bows, and the 40 dex from IS and the bonus atk buff from Dark Angelic ring so....I don't think I could do as much as he is just yet, but I think I could do somewhat similar damage, unless i'm way off. I also don't know what %ignore pdr he has on his wep either.

SLTonguehoenix boosts damage range thus boosting DoT. When i'm on concentrate my DoT is 22k ish, without concentrate it's 18-19k.

Terrible comparison bro.
The PDRate of Toad is 25.
The PDRate of these mobs is 70.
Spirit Link isn't a "damage booster" it's basically 220% * 120% damage. DoT is not factored into this.
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Locked Wrote:Terrible comparison bro.
The PDRate of Toad is 25.
The PDRate of these mobs is 70.
Spirit Link isn't a "damage booster" it's basically 220% * 120% damage. DoT is not factored into this.

Indeed.

The SLTonguehoenix boosts range though. That vid of the guy demonstrating Illusion Step used SLTonguehoenix and it boosted his actual range in his stat window, so it does affect DoT.
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White Wrote:Indeed.

The SLTonguehoenix boosts range though. That vid of the guy demonstrating Illusion Step used SLTonguehoenix and it boosted his actual range in his stat window, so it does affect DoT.

[video=youtube;onLM58KMNyQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onLM58KMNyQ[/video]

Again.
No it doesn't.
The range is red because of the ATT Ring (probably) and the dragon potion. Spirit Link is active when summoned.
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Locked Wrote:[video=youtube;onLM58KMNyQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onLM58KMNyQ[/video]

Again.
No it doesn't.
The range is red because of the ATT Ring (probably) and the dragon potion. Spirit Link is active when summoned.

[video=youtube;YF8HgrDnTfc&]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF8HgrDnTfc&feature=player_embedded[/video]

Take a look at a 1:30.

White Wrote:EDIT: To your edit Abysseon, notice how his range goes up just due to spirit link: phoenix. 32k to 37k w/ illusion step and concentrate. To 38k w/ dragon drink you buy in leafre. to 40.6k w/ level 4 spirit link: phoenix when he pulls out the bird. ^_^
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Veneni Wrote:Did noone think of the possibility they put that in to troll extractors?

Because KMS obviously has a history of adding data to troll.
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White Wrote:Take a look at a 1:30.

Mmk.
2441 DEX
203 STR
27275~32000

2457 DEX after Illusion Step.
28597~32044 after Illusion Step

31590~37165 after Concentrate

34503~40606 after Spirit Link 4.

1.25(4*2341+203)*WepATT/100 = 32000.
Around 267 weapon ATT.
(from what I can see, the quality of the video is sh`it tier tbh)

So what does Spirit Link do then? It's obviously not +20% damage because damage doesn't mean attack. Attack and AP are the only things that can affect the damage range directly. Level 4 Spirit Link gave 4% "bonus damage"
267+25 = 292 + 8 = 300 * 1.04 = 312 wep att.
1.25(4*2457+203)*312/100 = 39120 top.
Where's the extra attack coming from?
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Locked Wrote:Mmk.
2441 DEX
203 STR
27275~32000

2457 DEX after Illusion Step.
28597~32044 after Illusion Step

31590~37165 after Concentrate

34503~40606 after Spirit Link 4.

1.25(4*2341+203)*WepATT/100 = 32000.
Around 267 weapon ATT.
(from what I can see, the quality of the video is sh`it tier tbh)

So what does Spirit Link do then? It's obviously not +20% damage because damage doesn't mean attack. Attack and AP are the only things that can affect the damage range directly. Level 4 Spirit Link gave 4% "bonus damage"
267+25 = 292 + 8 = 300 * 1.04 = 312 wep att.
1.25(4*2457+203)*312/100 = 39120 top.
Where's the extra attack coming from?

Level 4 is actually 7%. So:
267+25 = 292 + 8 = 300 * 1.07 = 321 wep att.
1.25(4*2457+203)*321/100 = 40,249 top.

In his stat window he's at 40,686ish or so, so picking up that extra couple hundred is a lot easier to finagle (rofl, not red underlined) from somewhere than your calculation.

And btw, the 4% is the bonus to w.def and m.def.
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White Wrote:Level 4 is actually 7%. So:
267+25 = 292 + 8 = 300 * 1.07 = 321 wep att.
1.25(4*2457+203)*321/100 = 40,249 top.

Oh. I was looking at def/mdef then.
Still doesn't make sense to call it +damage% if it's +attack%.
>_>

(That still doesn't equal the 40606 shown.. but okay..)
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No, it doesn't equal it exactly. But my point being that it increases the damage range, and thus DoT stands.

As for Nexon using the wrong words to convey their meanings? I don't think this would be the first time lol. It'd be nice if they were more on their game nonetheless.
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White Wrote:No, it doesn't equal it exactly. But my point being that it increases the damage range, and thus DoT stands.

As for Nexon using the wrong words to convey their meanings? I don't think this would be the first time lol. It'd be nice if they were more on their game nonetheless.

They rarely mix up +damage and +attack, it's just retarded to do that.

Your damage is still too low to match his though, just saying.
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I was talking about the beast BM above doing gobs to the mobs w/ 70% PDR, and you're quite right about that. As for this gentleman, I have 224 str and 2362 dex fully buffed so i'm close. When I get another piece of gear i'm looking at and planning on buying tonight, my dex will go above his.
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kremechoko Wrote:Because KMS obviously has a history of adding data to troll.
There's always a first time. If I were a developer and knew there were sites like this, I would think it's a pretty funny joke.
Also it could explain the bad quality.
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i think marksmen are pretty solid now. i don't really love the dependence on freezer for the spirit link thing... that's.. pretty meh. marksmanship losing the HP boost is a bummer also, that becomes pretty low priority skill now. shame about losing blind, too. x/ illusion step is ok though. the name is a bit lame. just call it camoflauge.
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