Bully beatdown

Kid got exactly what was coming to him. High school bullies can't be reasoned with unless it's with the business end of a fist. People need to get the hell off this "education" way of trying to solve things. It is ineffective. As for telling a teacher, you may as well transfer schools after doing it because it's only going to make things worse. Anyone who says otherwise is clearly in denial and it's time to stop.

Seeing as how it moved to the Speakeasy, I can make a serious reply.

I was bullied as a child when I was around 12-14 years old. I tried telling my teachers, however the situation got much worse. I was being constantly threatened for "snitching" and my supposed beatings only got worse over time. In the end, I had to stand up for myself and the only way to do that would be to fight back. Bullies don't attack you because they do it for fun, they do it because the person on the other side is being a "push over" or easy to mess with. An eye for an eye may not be the best solution for other situations, but granted that this is an environment where kids believe that "snitching" is a bad thing, self-defence might be the only viable option.

The fact they're easy to mess with is what makes it fun for the bullies. They bully for fun, and status. They are sick individuals who need to be met harshly.

Fact remains, physical violence is not the only way to defend yourself. I myself was also bullied when I was 12-13, then I decided to stop giving a pomegranate and suddenly everyone seemed to like me. Looking back on it I wonder why it seemed that hard back then `-`

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Seriously though, if its pushing him that far, he probably deserved it.

He had what's coming for him. It's the fault of the adults involved not of the bullied person. People do crazy things when driven in a corner.

The fact they're easy to mess with is what makes it fun for the bullies.

So you make sure you're not easy to mess with... if you don't lose your pomegranate, and you make sure they're not coming out ahead, you don't have to move to violence to keep them away. They'll just lose interest. No need for "eye for an eye", just defend yourself so whenever they try to hurt you, a) you're not hurt, b) they're hurting themself.

I got bullied a little in sixth grade. It stopped when I put a sharp object in the way of the bully's slap - he skewered himself on my pencil. I can't imagine that felt good, and he didn't tell the teacher or anything.

Stabbing him with your pencil IS violence. And no, them losing interest is also an idea people need to let go of.

Fighting about something isn't a very nice thing to do, especially since there are other ways to solve our differences.

Greg has convinced me. With a little care, understanding, soft words, and education on other ways to express themselves, we can stamp out the problem of bullies forever.

After punching the little ****s in the face so they'll listen up.

Lol at the righteous people calling others ignorant without knowing the circumstances of others.

Seems like prolonged exposure to the light of righteousness can cause blindness.


I don't know about the states, but where I live snitching about this kind of stuff will only make things worse. More so if you go to a public school (as I did) Why? Because odds are the group of bullies live around your neighborhood, so even if they do get suspended, you will still meet them sooner or later. Back then the only way to deal with this was either to become the clown of the class or to stand up for yourself. I chose the second one (I was in third grade back then), got a broken nose and my mom whoop my ass for getting into a fight (yeah...), but never again was I bullied.

What about today? Same pomegranate. My cousin's kid is on 5th grade and he's on his third school because of bullies. The kid so far haven't been able to stand up to himself (he's the very definition of a wimp), and his mother spends most of her time trying to protect her kid at school (Good thing she doesn't work).

What happened to the bullies of the schools? Suspensions everywhere. What did that solve? Nothing, because the kid still gets harassed outside of the school. So he can't even go out and play around his own neighborhood.

And because the bullies are kids, the police does not make a big deal out of it (plus, what can they do, sue them because they spend most of their time playing out in the street?).


TL;DR?
Teach your kid to defend himself, to have some pride and not allow himself to get trampled by the whims of others. This is not even about violence nor winning or losing a fight, it's about the development of fortitude and character.

Punk got what was coming to him. Parents didn't do anything to solve the problem (he has been bullied for quite a long time), so he solve the problem himself. Problem solved and he should be proud for standing up for himself.

TL;DR?
Teach your kid to defend himself, to have some pride and not allow himself to get trampled by the whims of others. This is not even about violence nor winning or losing a fight, it's about the development of fortitude and character.

After seeing life for not only myself, but many other kids, I have to agree with this. While we're human, and above animals, society still has and always will have kinks.

Everyone HAS a right to live the way they wish. People have to be able to PROTECT that right. Society can do a lot, but it has its limits. Its sad but a kid in MY area has to know how to stand up. People need to teach kids to not give a bully the reaction they want: its better to appear more annoyed by them than angry or backing down, if a teacher is around, they need to yell at them, call out what they're doing so they get the teacher's attention without actually 'snitching'. Just stand tall and don't budge either physically or emotionally, just gotta remind them they're a nobody.

If they threaten physical violence, there's only one proper response.

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Actual vid.

Actually watching the video the kids head doesn't really hit the ground. The reason hes limping is because his leg* hit the wood part, so its probably bruised. His shoulder took most of the fall. I find it ironic how Casey gets suspended for retaliating while the other kid isn't punished at all for being antagonistic.

Sure responding is bad, but it's definately not the side that should feel the worser end of the punishment.

Look at 24 seconds, he lands sideways, his ankle against the wood wall thing. If you pause/play 23/24, he holds him up vertical then slams horizontal.

I think the girl that came in the background serves as a good reminder of what a third party should do. You see people standing around in the video (I don't know if they're in on the whole gag or not, but they're watching it go down nonetheless) and do absolutely nothing to stop the situation. Unfortunately it took the kid snapping to finally make people realize they shouldn't be acting like little pomegranates.

His friend that got up in his face after that is lucky he didn't pummel him as well.

Stupid little pricks. Gotta love our youth. I also find it absolutely appalling that only the big kid was suspended when he was clearly the one being antagonized and abused by not just one person but many. Not only just the fighting, but the cursing from a bunch of pre-pubescent kids was grounds for suspension at my school...

Stabbing him with your pencil IS violence. And no, them losing interest is also an idea people need to let go of.

If someone tries to punch you and they hit a wall instead and hurt themselves, that's not violence on your part. Passively protecting yourself by hiding behind the wall isn't violence, either. And I found it to work just fine for avoiding future attacks.

I'm a very peaceful and cool guy, I don't look for trouble or like generating violence.

In 5th grade. after telling the proper authorities, whom did nothing about my problem, for a couple of months. One day, the problem started pushing me and laughing at me for no apparent reason, I slammed my problem into a fence. I never had that problem again in that school.

Then in 8th - 9th grade I had another problem. I told the proper authorities to get this problem of my back. They didn't deal with it, so after a year or so, I decided to solve that problem myself. The problem was bothering, pushing from behind and kicking me, so I elbowed it in the face. It solved that problem.

And finally there was this idiotic problem that kept bothering me by saying stuff about me, offensive things in the middle of the class. The teacher even heard it, I approached her multiple times during the semester, she did nothing. I ignored it, but they went on with other people. I was tired of hearing their blabbering, so I went ahead and humiliated them through the power of speech, every time they opened their mouth. After a while, the problem stopped.

I've lived through this, I tried solving it in the fashion that Sarah and others wanted it. Seriously, I don't want any violence, I prefer for them to just stop after having a talking too, but dammit, not all of them listen. After a while it gets very tiresome and you just want to get rid of it. It's like those mosquitoes that buzz by you in the middle of the night, you try to shoo them away, but they just keep coming back until you deal with them.

An eye for an eye is perfectly fine sometimes.

Things sure got serious in the f-

I'm a real quiet/boring person and very observant on whats going around me so i never got in the way of bullies. While i was going to middle school bullies didn't just pick on you they would break your arm or knife you. So i always knew my place while going to school and stayed away from all drama. When i finally moved up to the US things were much more peaceful and people seem to not mess around you with that much. I just continue what i did when i use to be back home stay quiet and only talk when spoken too. If you wanted to be my friend you can talk to me. I never went around looking for friends that just looking for trouble cause that friend can end up being the wrong one.

The kid had it coming to him. If the kid who was being bullied was drove to suicide would the ones who talk about peace and love change their tone? Look at the situation from a different outlook

For one, we don't live in the same world we did when you were a kid. Bullying intolerance is at an all time high so there ARE other options. Schools are being mandated to take action the moment they learn about this sort of thing and it's constantly being brought to light when they don't. Their jobs and livelihood are the line when they don't take action.

Nope. It's actually harder for a teacher to lose their job than one would think. The most they can really do is contact parents, and in most cases the parents know and really just don't care. That's enough for them to show that they've tried to put a stop to it, and that's all they have to do. They have no power to do anything more, it's not their children, and they can't lay a hand on them.

If a child is being bullied they need to be encouraged to tell an adult and then let the adults deal with it. If the parent of the bully doesn't take action then the law will. Parents need to be involved and support their kids in the RIGHT way, not by teaching them to go pound the pomegranate out of other people. Saying 'that's the way it's been done forever!' doesn't justify poor decision making.

But maybe you're right in that 99% won't get it, because you clearly don't.

What law? I don't know what kind of crazy place Canada is, but children don't usually get prosecuted over here for calling Sally a fat homo snail and sitting gum wads into her hair and occasionally hitting her when there aren't adults around to witness or stop them. Even the punk in this video wasn't really doing much. He was acting tough with name calling and doing some jabs, but it wasn't even anything that big.

You said you verbally bullied kids. You think something like that is easy to fight against with authorities?

Teaching kids an eye for an eye is a bad thing. You should teach them to go to the right authorities (teachers, parents etc etc).

Things could get out of hand. Example, someone smashes your car, you don't go and find his car and smash it. You file a police report. If you were to smash out his windows, both of you will be treated as criminals.

This will lead to them being walked over. It's entirely situational. Not everything can be handled perfectly in the same manner. Going to an authority figure in this situation will not do the kid any good. There's really not much that adults can do about bullying.

You file a police report for a car being smashed. What about about for a gun pointed into your face? There are some battles that the "correct" authorities just can't help you with, at least not immediately. You can't even file a report on something unless it actually happens, in most cases. In other words, once it's possibly too late. The cases are not the same. As such, there are different cases of bullying. Having someone call you shitbreath every day is something that'd be out of line to punish with a slam like this, but that's not the same kind of bullying as physically assaulting someone.


Pick different moves for different battles. You'll lose a lot more of them if you think that the same thing will work for every situation. This doesn't just go for big instances for bullying, but even small everyday stuff that everyone goes through.

Honestly, the kid handled it in a very level headed manner. He shook off his attacker while also sending a message. He didn't go into a blind rage and start continuing an assault, or try attacking the others that were watching from the side. One of them even walked up to him in an attempt to egg him on, but there was no physical contact. He made his message known, he's tired of putting up with their crap. He walked away calmly, without any excess violence.

Whether it'll come back to bite him later or not something he'll have to deal with though.

lol wow. Sorry to say peeps sarah's right. I didn't have many bullies when I grew up, maybe like 3 total, and all 3 of them ended up being my friends because, I learned to laugh and just joke around. There's only one I had to stand up too, but that didn't lead to a friendship just future bitter confrontations.

If you stand up to a bully, you do it verbally, you talk to them reasonably that's all I had to do. Bullies will simply respect the act if you talk back in a non-aggressive way. Then you just joke around with em and they end up being your friends. WORKED FOR ME@@

Not everyone is the same. It's cool that you had high class bullies when growing up, but having idiots as bullies is an entirely different story. You think they'll really care what you want to say when they just want to look cool in front of their friends and make some pocket cash from you?

Fact remains, physical violence is not the only way to defend yourself. I myself was also bullied when I was 12-13, then I decided to stop giving a pomegranate and suddenly everyone seemed to like me. Looking back on it I wonder why it seemed that hard back then `-`

Cool story. Let me know when you're jumped on a daily basis just because some punks in your school find it fun to make coolaid spill from your nose, then tell me it's cool to just ignore it. Though this would be a case where authorities can actually do something, while in most others they won't.



Main point I'm trying to make is that you need to know when to pick your battles, not be a complete lard-head and tackle everything the same way. You need to adapt. You need to think logically what the best course of action could be. If you try being the nice guy all the time, you'll just get walked over. It's the nice ones that snap with a school shooting because they try doing things the "proper" way and see that they were lied to because it doesn't work out at all. I feel icky for that line, it's a rather gross generalization, so let me just restate it by saying that there are some that snap because of that feeling of helplessness.

It'd be nice if our world was sparkles and rainbows like the moves, where everything can be solved in a peaceful manner where everyone wins and gets stickers for being good little boys and girls. Unfortunately, you have to face reality. Sometimes you have to toughen up. Sometimes it's okay to be soft. Just don't be full jelly or steel.

We're humans, and we're able to logically come up with our own solutions. Don't try solving every puzzle the same way. Because we're humans, we're also prone to making mistakes. Not every decision you make will be the best, but you're not perfect, so you'll just have to deal with the decision that seemed the best to you at the time.

We learn from out mistakes. Sometimes you have to learn through forces. The kid slammed on the ground may go for revenge, or take his anger out, but do you think he'll ever forget about the day he tried to act like a cool street punk in front of his friends and got a face full of cement? Regardless of what he does now, this is something that will leave a lasting imprint on him. As a human, it's up to him to decide if he wants to take this experience and actually learn from it.

I don't know him, so I won't claim to know how he'll react. He could end his bullying days right now. He could toughen up in order to regain his lost sense of pride. He could forever fear people taller than him. Whatever road he takes, it's his road to walk.

Different situations.
Different people.
Different environments.
So why would you apply the same methods across them all as some universal answer, when it doesn't always work?

kunagisa and seanny have it right, you can't deal with everyone in the same way, i had just one person i could really call a bully annoy me, and as much as i tried reasonin with the guy, i don't even know what was his problem, he would just try to hit me/walk away/not give a damn, he threw soda cans at me and crap, i didn't care.

until one day he just grabbed me from behind and "threw me" against a metal trash can, that's when i snapped, followed the kid around school, and i was the second fastest dastard up to 2 grades above me, so i followed him, grabbed him, threw him to the ground, and told him that if he ever tried to do anything to me again, i would kick his crap.

i swear, i never saw the guy again, to this day i dunno wtp happened to him

what i am getting at is, some understand reason, some see you are serious, heck, some might even change their ways, but there is always a bully you just have to scare the crap of/kick his ass.

i still got anoyed by other people, but that was the only one to actually hit me more than once, so i just let every other guy be and not give a damn (that, and grew too skinny to even throw a good punch, but if i had to, i would.)

EDIT:
forgot to say, i think the big guy overdid it, i don't think he shouldn't have fought back, but maybe a bit less...dangerously.
you can see he is a very patient fella, one hit on the kid, nothing on the friend, and he just walked away, even though his face clearly said "i'd also do it to you"
guy knows when enough is enough