Takebacker Wrote:Western fanbase for anything is horrible. Doesn't really affect the quality of the series, whatever quality that may be.
I dunno. The western One Piece community is a pretty cool fan base. But on the other hand it's really hard to find something to hate in a manga as epic as it is. The Naruto fanbase made me cry when one guy made this super elaborate post on why Kishi is a genius in purposely making us hate the progression in the series, saying how genius the Pein arc "twist" was. That's how bad it got.
Can't add a lot to other people said. Bad fans, bad plot sometimes, lots and lots of fillers, all things that One Piece (my fav show ever) don't have. But then again you can like anything you want, no one here will judge you nor give a f'uck.
I think a fanbase tends to gets worse as it increases in size and the age spread increases. Be that because you get older or people substantially older or younger than you join the fanbase. See Maple, Naruto, Facebook, etc.
I'll give you my absolutely honest opinion on Naruto as someone still following the manga to this day:
naruto is not just a cartoon i think that the show does a good job in exemplifying humanity. i know there are fillers but the story comes very close to the manga and i think that is very good. naruto is not just a show for kids but even for young adults from old to young. going back to what i said about humanity it is probably the best show in showing how society really is. my favorite quote from the show is "peace can only be achieve through pain" how do we accept people change for the better or for the worse when we love them? i hope i made my case in naruto being the best anime and if you do not think he will like it then perhaps you could make him watch code geass is has a lot of suspense and action and the plot is very good
Real Thoughts: On the Manga
I'll admit it: Naruto starts out very well. The focus on Naruto's development and taking steps toward his dream are most of why the first half of the series is much better. The Zabuza arc, Naruto's fight with Neji, and Naruto's fight with Gaara were excellent. They radiated a good positive feeling in these moments where you really feel that the little Japanese-equivalent of Dennis the Mennis with a tragic past seemed to really progress in becoming more mature and getting closer to his dream. Naruto's fights in the first half of the series were also drawn much better: there was simply more motion in the action, and I felt the pacing was very nice too. Naruto and Sasuke's fight at the Valley of the End was also very nice. I like how he showed his progression from the beginning of the series in how he confronted Sasuke (Sure, it was a pretty corny friendship speech, but when I have to rate a mainstream shonen story, I try to take in consideration that it doesn't have to be some sort of masterpiece); and the fight was just packed with a great deal of emotion.
I felt that the series took a turn for the worse at the second half of the story after the time skip. The fights just lacked the same sort of inspiring energy, less motion (particularly in Sasuke's but he's a topic I'll get to later), and just dragged on. In addition, the story takes a big plunge. The amount of focus on Naruto trying to get Sasuke back, Sasuke himself, and trying to stop Akatsuki feels like the focus shifted from Naruto developing and reaching his dreams into something convoluted and stupid. Which brings me to another topic: Sasuke. I can't believe this guy even has a fanbase. He has the personality of a cardboard box, and honestly- I hated the chapters about his angst and wristcutting because it's absolutely boring and annoying to read. Worse yet, Kishi put way too much focus on him in large chunks of this later half of the series. So for weeks on and weeks on, you've got to put up with him in the chapters. Worse yet are the fight scenes. It feels less entertaining when I watch Sasuke fight because with Sasuke, fights lack motion and are put in for the sake of having a fight to cater to the fans and advance the story. In his fights, it just become about unleashing the strongest jutsu on each other than on willpower and spirit that some of the major fights in the earlier half of the series have. In other words, Dragonball Z with equally slow pacing, if not worse; and it becomes all about the abilities than on trying to truly entertain the audience- but I suppose there's a certain portion of the fanbase who finds these abilities cool, but to me, it's all stupid.
Oh well, I suppose it's at least a far better read than Bleach.
Oh: and the point about the fanbase. Urgh. Too lazy to list the issues that the anime has either.
2010-05-05, 08:58 PM (This post was last modified: 2010-05-05, 09:00 PM by IllegallySane.)
Smooth Criminal Wrote:In other words, Dragonball Z with equally slow pacing, if not worse;
The DBZ manga would like to have a word with you, and Drago Ball Kai. Power up scenes in the manga are drastically shorter. Heck, the Buu saga, which spanned around 100 episodes, ot 1/3 of the whole anime series, took only 3/16 or less than 20% of the total number of volumes in the manga series. It was because Toriyama needed more time to write/draw more chapters.
Hell, Shikage can attest to this. What should have been episode 140 in the original fillerered-up DBZ series, is currently only episode 55 in the filler-less Dragon Ball Kai series. Says a lot about how much filler there was that had to be made.
IllegallySane Wrote:The DBZ manga would like to have a word with you, and Drago Ball Kai. Power up scenes in the manga are drastically shorter. Heck, the Buu saga, which spanned around 100 episodes, ot 1/3 of the whole anime series, took only 3/16 or less than 20% of the total number of volumes in the manga series. It was because Toriyama needed more time to write/draw more chapters.
Hell, Shikage can attest to this. What should have been episode 140 in the original fillerered-up DBZ series, is currently only episode 55 in the filler-less Dragon Ball Kai series. Says a lot about how much filler there was that had to be made.
Uhh right! Those chapters when they took like 5-30minutes showing Goku and his enemy screaming and going against each othe and then the chapter ends. Next chapter is about the same thing until finally Goku does something and his enemy is dead.
Loved DBZ when I was a young kid but last time I tried to watch (2-3years ago) it just pissed me off.
IllegallySane Wrote:The DBZ manga would like to have a word with you, and Drago Ball Kai.
I meant the analogy to apply mostly to the original DBZ anime, what- with "ARE THEY STILL ON NAMEK?!" and during the fight with Frieza, the fact that entire episodes encompassed a five-minute time frame where Frieza was going to blow up Namek.
People generally dislike Nartuo because of its terrible fanbase. I dislike it because it's just a terrible show. To me, it set the standards for what generic is in an anime. The bland and boring plot combined with the annoying cast of characters ("BELIEVE IT!!!!!") help set the stage. I've watched maybe a total of six or seven episodes and feel that's more than enough to form an opinion on the anime overall.
madanthony Wrote:I think a fanbase tends to gets worse as it increases in size and the age spread increases. Be that because you get older or people substantially older or younger than you join the fanbase. See Maple, Naruto, Facebook, etc.
This. The only reason why i still read it, its coz of some theory about some japanese god that was pretty interesting and might related to the manga. Anime.. having fillers sucks.
Manga is better because you can imagine how the voices would be based on your own imagination, and nothing else. I watch the anime if I'm bored. That's it.
As for One Piece, it's not that bad but I don't consider it a great series. Then again, I'm more into shoujo than shonen.
Omni Wrote:Manga is better because you can imagine how the voices would be based on your own imagination, and nothing else. I watch the anime if I'm bored. That's it.
As for One Piece, it's not that bad but I don't consider it a great series. Then again, I'm more into shoujo than shonen.
Doesn't that mean you're into girl's mangas? Is that like being into Barbies? Or am I interpreting this wrong.
Dusk Wrote:Doesn't that mean you're into girl's mangas? Is that like being into Barbies? Or am I interpreting this wrong.
I guess so. One of my favorite Shoujo would be Watashi ni XX Shinasai!, but I think I mentioned that like over 1000 times. I have no problems with liking Shoujos. I like what I like. lolinternet.
MetaSeraphim Wrote:Shoujo is just normally more romance filled than shonen.
To be further accurate, it's geared towards a female audience. Where as Shonen are for males. Not to say that the opposite gender cannot like the other. Females can like One Piece, and males can like Vampire Knight (lolWhoAmIKidding..) Koko Ni Iru Yo!. The reason I'm more interested in Shoujo is because I enjoy watching things about romance or cute animated females, but that's just me.
