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Conciente Wrote:They, however, seem to find everything that Nexon does bad... no matter how hard they try.
How is Nexon "trying" if they're doing things at their own normal pace, or should I say, carrying out "merely a part of their schedule"? You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Why don't you see that whining is the players' way of figuring out what needs to be done to better their gameplay experience? Much like what Nexon tries to come up to fill their wallets, Gachapon, Vicious hammers, expiring NX clothes, more Gachapon, even the MTS itself, even more Gachapon, I could go on forever and ever and ever?
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Conciente Wrote:They are committed... I see them implementing new techniques to avoid these "issues" in the future. People are just too impatient! However, they are not obligated to do so.
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Conciente Wrote:That's your opinion. What you just said I'd rather call it "responsibility". Is it a chore to go to school/university every day? Is it a chore to talk to your parents even when you don't want to?
Responsibility =/= Chores
It's responsible to go to university if you're the one paying for it, or not. It's responsible of you as a person to solve problems that you created. It is not your responsibility if:
a) The company sucks because they won't admit their own mistakes to improve their security.
b) Your guild wants you to zakum, and you feel compelled to go because you FEEL IT IS your responsibility
c) Etc
You're comparing a game to irl-morals and ethics, try again. Actually, I'll shut up once you can show me a game that claims that you must change your passwords for every 24 hours. Go try. I'd like to see this.
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Conciente Wrote:Amazon and MapleStory are two different things. Amazon, you are talking about real money and items... MapleStory, you are talking about FREE items and gameplay.
Amazon is just a middleman to the producer. I don't pay for an amazon account, it is free. Yet, they have a ton of my data on file. Buying habits, favorite items, an e-mail and my CCN. So, the service Amazon provides me is free.
NXCash is bought with real money. What if this breech had accessed a server that logged use credit card numbers?[Hyperbole] Where do you draw the line between "real" money and "fake" money? My real money bought my fake money. It has value in real money. It is real money. So, because the goods MapleStory provides are virtual and not "real", I shouldn't feel bad when I get essentially robbed of my money? Especially when I'm not at fault.
Your best friend tells one of his shady friends exactly where you keep your stash of cash before they come over to your house. "Dude, its totally your fault for not moving it around, lol."
I told you not to use *FREE* on me. I don't see Open Office taking a fat sh**it all over me when I ask their development team a question. They have a bug, should I have to download their source and learn to fix it? Even though its free, I tell them the bug and they fix it. They might even throw in a pineappleing thank you.
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Kalovale Wrote:How is Nexon "trying" if they're doing things at their own normal pace, or should I say, carrying out "merely a part of their schedule"? You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Why don't you see that whining is the players' way of figuring out what needs to be done to better their gameplay experience? Much like what Nexon tries to come up to fill their wallets, Gachapon, Vicious hammers, expiring NX clothes, more Gachapon, even the MTS itself, even more Gachapon, I could go on forever and ever and ever?
They are still trying even if they are doing it at their own pace... Maybe the players should have patience or use common sense? I played this game for a long, long, long time and issues that some players "have" were non-existent to me, up to the point that I think that some players whine just for the sake of whining.
Kawasari Mimoto Wrote:Responsibility =/= Chores
It's responsible to go to university if you're the one paying for it, or not. It's responsible of you as a person to solve problems that you created. It is not your responsibility if:
a) The company sucks because they won't admit their own mistakes to improve their security.
b) Your guild wants you to zakum, and you feel compelled to go because you FEEL IT IS your responsibility
c) Etc
You're comparing a game to irl-morals and ethics, try again. Actually, I'll shut up once you can show me a game that claims that you must change your passwords for every 24 hours. Go try. I'd like to see this.
... I repeat, no game requires this. Changing your password every day is just something you can do to prevent the "hackings", until the company "fixes" things.
By your logic, it's also your responsibility to protect yourself. If you know there are "hackings" going on, you should take the necessary measures to try and avoid it.
BTW, there's nothing different between a game and irl, since, after all, life is a game we are all playing.
Atuan Wrote:Amazon is just a middleman to the producer. I don't pay for an amazon account, it is free. Yet, they have a ton of my data on file. Buying habits, favorite items, an e-mail and my CCN. So, the service Amazon provides me is free.
NXCash is bought with real money. What if this breech had accessed a server that logged use credit card numbers?[Hyperbole] Where do you draw the line between "real" money and "fake" money? My real money bought my fake money. It has value in real money. It is real money. So, because the goods MapleStory provides are virtual and not "real", I shouldn't feel bad when I get essentially robbed of my money? Especially when I'm not at fault.
Your best friend tells one of his shady friends exactly where you keep your stash of cash before they come over to your house. "Dude, its totally your fault for not moving it around, lol."
I told you not to use *FREE* on me. I don't see Open Office taking a fat sh**it all over me when I ask their development team a question. They have a bug, should I have to download their source and learn to fix it? Even though its free, I tell them the bug and they fix it. They might even throw in a pineappleing thank you.
*yawn* NX is free. Use the MTS.
I don't see anything about Nexon saying that they are not going to fix this or all the other "issues" this game supposedly has. They are just not saying anything about them, because they don't have to and it's a waste of time. They'll fix them someday and you will forget about all those "problems".
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Conciente Wrote:*yawn* NX is free. Use the MTS.
I don't see anything about Nexon saying that they are not going to fix this or all the other "issues" this game supposedly has. They are just not saying anything about them, because they don't have to and it's a waste of time. They'll fix them someday and you will forget about all those "problems".
Just because NX can be obtained without using money, doesn't mean it doesn't have a real value attached. When I make 5K NX on the MTS, I feel like I made 5$ that I put back into the game. It has a value in dollars, it is real money spent. Is the money I cash into my PayPal from PTC sites fake, too?
Not addressing issues that can potentially affect hundreds of more players is irresponsible.
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Conciente Wrote:They are still trying even if they are doing it at their own pace... Maybe the players should have patience or use common sense? I played this game for a long, long, long time and issues that some players "have" were non-existent to me, up to the point that I think that some players whine just for the sake of whining.
Patience as in BattleShip Cannon taking, what, how many months has it been now? How do you justify Spidey's situation where her entire 2x exp coupon bought with real money OH WAIT, NX IS FREE!! Yeah right, you didn't even bother explaining HOW they are trying when going at their own pace, which was what I asked for, not a restatement of the pre-stated, everyone knows you can repeat.
And maybe you have low standards? You told Khoi you have different views from him, perhaps the rest of the Maple world thinks what they have isn't enough? Does that make your standard acceptable or theirs? Does that make their effort for better gameplay experience worthy of being deemed whiny? They're going for their own pleasure and benefits, no different from what your Nexon darling has been doing forever. Don't you think Nexon has too many plans to make money? Why then do you think whiners whine too much? [fontType=sarcasm]I think they're not whining enough![/font]
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Kalovale Wrote:Patience as in BattleShip Cannon taking, what, how many months has it been now? How do you justify Spidey's situation where her entire 2x exp coupon bought with real money OH WAIT, NX IS FREE!! Yeah right, you didn't even bother explaining HOW they are trying when going at their own pace, which was what I asked for, not a restatement of the pre-stated, everyone knows you can repeat.
And maybe you have low standards? You told Khoi you have different views from him, perhaps the rest of the Maple world thinks what they have isn't enough? Does that make your standard acceptable or theirs? Does that make their effort for better gameplay experience worthy of being deemed whiny? They're going for their own pleasure and benefits, no different from what your Nexon darling has been doing forever. Don't you think Nexon has too many plans to make money? Why then do you think whiners whine too much? [fontType=sarcasm]I think they're not whining enough![/font]
You do not know what is going on behind the scenes. Take it easy about your "bugs". Life is for living, not for living uptight.
I don't agree with any of you, you don't have to agree with me. I stated my opinion, you stated yours.
BTW, it's not called low standards. It's called playing a FREE game where the company doesn't have any obligation to do anything to support it. I am not paying for a service, I am USING it for my OWN entertainment for FREE whenever I WANT TO.
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Conciente Wrote:You do not know what is going on behind the scenes. Take it easy about your "bugs". Life is for living, not for living uptight.
I don't agree with any of you, you don't have to agree with me. I stated my opinion, you stated yours.
Then go play with your free NX elsewhere, we all know that chorus by heart.
Just a side note, Maple "life" was completely un-livable for Archers when PKB glitched pineappleed them in the ass for MONTHS, and if you bother reading at all, other bugs are just causing as much damage to our lives. Should we shut up and eat pomegranate because pineapple simply vanished? No, we voice to whoever MADE them disappear, and until they rub the WE GIVE IT FREE U NUBS SHUT UP B.S. in our faces, fix please. You keep pineappleing up, we keep whining, you don't rub that B.S. in our faces? We press on. All's for the sake of our own benefits.
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Kalovale Wrote:Then go play with your free NX elsewhere, we all know that chorus by heart.
Just a side note, Maple "life" was completely un-livable for Archers when PKB glitched fucked them in the ass for MONTHS, and if you bother reading at all, other bugs are just causing as much damage to our lives. Should we shut up and eat pomegranate before pineapple simply vanished? No, we voice to whoever MADE them disappear, and until they rub the WE GIVE IT FREE U NUBS SHUT UP B.S. in our faces, fix please. You keep fucking up, we keep whining, you don't rub that B.S. in our faces? We press on. All's for the sake of our own benefits.
Then do that, while people like me continue to enjoy the game ignoring the "bugs". BTW, my Archer friend played completely fine during the PKB glitch era... do you know how? Finding a way to NOT activate it.
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Conciente Wrote:Then do that, while people like me continue to enjoy the game ignoring the "bugs". BTW, my Archer friend played completely fine during the PKB glitch era... do you know how? Finding a way to NOT activate it. 
I'm pretty sure you don't use attacks in Mayas' house, stop cheating. Oh and thanks for allowing us to do our things in peace, appreciate it, Guys, time to whine.
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