2009-11-01, 05:05 PM (This post was last modified: 2009-11-01, 05:11 PM by 66alex66.)
KaidaTan Wrote:Oh it is? Blame Carlos, he told me 0.8. I knew it was made higher, but I wasn't sure to what.
Also... delay what? I don't understand. I was under the impression that the delay for Blast was removed entirely and the delays for the other skills were lowered enough for alternation to be very possible. Are you perhaps using the outdated delays on LazyBui's thread?
no joe is right, i did the same calcs and got exactly what he got, orb>DS
Energy Blast (spamming)
All: 1140ms
Energy Blast (delay)
Faster (2): 570ms (-180ms)
Faster (3): 630ms (-120ms)
Fast (4): 660ms (-90ms)
Fast (5): 720ms (-30ms)
Normal (6): 750ms
KaidaTan Wrote:Did you even read the post you quoted of mine? I said those numbers are outdated. All delays for Bucc skills have since been reduced or removed.
Uh, a bit more along the lines of: SOME delays for buc skills have been reduced or heavily reduced.
KaidaTan Wrote:Did you even read the post you quoted of mine? I said those numbers are outdated. All delays for Bucc skills have since been reduced or removed.
And as far as I know, Orb reduction is 2/3rds. It'd be pineappleing fantastic if it actually were 0.80 but we live in a world where Buccaneers suck aren't as great as other jobs at DPSing.
Wait, so orb out damages DS at level 22?
66alex66 Wrote:that IS the reduced delay for blast
When's the last time you used blast and it took over 1 second to cast?
Takebacker Wrote:I tested 43 dragon strikes in 60 seconds.
With that, Orb would never be stronger than Dragon Strike alone, as Dragon Strike does approximately 574%/s/mob, 3444%/s on six mobs, Orb only does 2648%/s on six mobs. So unless Orb's speed was changed to ~700ms (86apm), it won't ever be stronger; of course, depending on what the delay is for Dragon Strike, the Dragon Orb combo could be enough difference compared to Dragon Blasting.
As I showed in my (now outdated) calculations, Energy Blast and Dragon Strike were not to be used alone; in Third Job, you would throw one Energy Blast followed by a Sommersault Kick if you were close enough, or fill the gap with a Screw Punch to close the distance. Energy Orb is meant to replace Energy Blast in this respect. With the change in delays now though, this could have become irrelevant due to how slow Orb is on its own compared to the (old) action delay of Energy Blast, or even Dragon Strike's new delay.
It's a bit more complicated to count Action Delays compared to spamming delays; what you would do is count how many of (A + B) combos you can do in a time frame but it adds a lot more human error. I'm afraid I can't measure ticks like LazyBui could though, that was extremely helpful.
Assuming your calculations are right, why is Energy Orb so weak? I mean...... geez. Energy Blast with the delay gone hits about twice in the time it takes for one orb to finish. That should put it's damage at about equal, or even exceeding Energy Orb's DPS. If they removed the chain lightning effect Energy Orb would become AWESOME.
Energy Blast > Energy Orb for pure mob damage, but I can still see SOME use to it during bossing. Barrage + Orb should yield best results when SSJ2 is down. It's no reason for me to pick it up until late 17x though. Maybe even 18x. ~_~
2009-11-02, 03:30 AM (This post was last modified: 2009-11-02, 03:33 AM by KaidaTan.)
IllegallySane Wrote:Assuming your calculations are right, why is Energy Orb so weak? I mean...... geez. Energy Blast with the delay gone hits about twice in the time it takes for one orb to finish. That should put it's damage at about equal, or even exceeding Energy Orb's DPS. If they removed the chain lightning effect Energy Orb would become AWESOME.
Energy Blast > Energy Orb for pure mob damage, but I can still see SOME use to it during bossing. Barrage + Orb should yield best results when SSJ2 is down. It's no reason for me to pick it up until late 17x though. Maybe even 18x. ~_~
I had a friend who was constantly telling me how awesome switching between DS and Orb was for big mobs. Orb, unlike Blast, can cover a pretty massive range. He even told me that it constantly hit skelegons on entirely different platforms. Anyway, he loved doing DS -> Orb -> DS to kill all the Skeles in front of him. He is 17x, though.
JoeTang Wrote:As I showed in my (now outdated) calculations, Energy Blast and Dragon Strike were not to be used alone; in Third Job, you would throw one Energy Blast followed by a Sommersault Kick if you were close enough, or fill the gap with a Screw Punch to close the distance. Energy Orb is meant to replace Energy Blast in this respect. With the change in delays now though, this could have become irrelevant due to how slow Orb is on its own compared to the (old) action delay of Energy Blast, or even Dragon Strike's new delay.
The changes from what I remember are that Blast's delay was removed, Dragon Strike's delay was lowered enough for it to be alternated with anything except the very fast skills (Flash Fist, Blast, Drain), and the same with Barrage. Orb, as far as I know, never had a delay. It's just slow as holy hell.
KaidaTan Wrote:I had a friend who was constantly telling me how awesome switching between DS and Orb was for big mobs. Orb, unlike Blast, can cover a pretty massive range. He even told me that it constantly hit skelegons on entirely different platforms. Anyway, he loved doing DS -> Orb -> DS to kill all the Skeles in front of him. He is 17x, though.
Why Skeles? He should be at Oblivion 4 for EXP and money.
Guess that's yet another idea to ponder if your friend likes using it as much as he says he is. Energy Orb would probably be up ~80% of the time when I factor in downtime without Energy Charge. If it's as strong as they say it is, I may give that a shot at leveling up instead. So instead of Snatching 50% of the time, I'd be using Orb ~75-80% of the time. That may also be a giant damage increase. Hmmmm........ and should Energy Orb push my EXP/hour to over 10m/hour it'd definitely be worth it. Oh curse thee Maplestory for not selling an affordable way to reset SP, whether it be through NX or even mesos.
