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Buccaneer skill replacement levels - Takebacker - 2009-10-31
The title probably makes no sense.
I'm 146 right now, just passed demo 20 and it's level 8. After demo i am probably going to max energy orb. What i want to know is the following:
1) At what level does demolition out damage barr + DS.
2) At what level does energy orb out damage energy blast.
3) At what level does energy orb out damage dragon strike. (i'm pretty sure it's 27+, but i'm just curious)
4) By how much DPS does max energy orb out damage max dragon strike? Expressed in % difference is fine.
Thanks guys.
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - shouri - 2009-10-31
Do you want these with or without stunning first and with or without SE?
Not that i'd know, but for those who would figure this out... it's a good thing to tell em.
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - Takebacker - 2009-10-31
shouri Wrote:Do you want these with or without stunning first and with or without SE?
Not that i'd know, but for those who would figure this out... it's a good thing to tell em.
No SE, and no stun.
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - ZottenKerel - 2009-10-31
Im pretty sure the first one is pretty much adding the dmg%s, cus barrage+ds is~same speed as a demo. As for the rest.. idk I have lvl 1 energy orb and it can do pretty close to energy blast dmg, it's just that the chain dmg makes he dps a lot lower, so it all depends on howmany you hit I guess.
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - Link - 2009-10-31
ZottenKerel Wrote:barrage+ds is~same speed as a demo.
It can't be.
When I solo Pap and use Time Leap for Super Transform, I kill Pap in about 13 minutes.
If I don't use Time Leap and use more Dragon Strike + Rapid Fist, it slows down and ends around 16 ~ 17 minutes.
Demolition by itself is much faster than Dragon Strike + Rapid Fist. At what level does it get there? Probably around 25.
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - Takebacker - 2009-10-31
ZottenKerel Wrote:Im pretty sure the first one is pretty much adding the dmg%s, cus barrage+ds is~same speed as a demo. As for the rest.. idk I have lvl 1 energy orb and it can do pretty close to energy blast dmg, it's just that the chain dmg makes he dps a lot lower, so it all depends on howmany you hit I guess.
According to the speed reference thread, barr + DS is in total 2580 ms, while demolition is 2340 ms, so 1 demolition is faster than 1 barr + DS.
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - IllegallySane - 2009-10-31
Takebacker Wrote:The title probably makes no sense.
I'm 146 right now, just passed demo 20 and it's level 8. After demo i am probably going to max energy orb. What i want to know is the following:
1) At what level does demolition out damage barr + DS.
2) At what level does energy orb out damage energy blast.
3) At what level does energy orb out damage dragon strike. (i'm pretty sure it's 27+, but i'm just curious)
4) By how much DPS does max energy orb out damage max dragon strike? Expressed in % difference is fine.
Thanks guys.
1. Somewhere around after level 21 Demolition utterly destroys the single target DPS of Barrage and DS. I remembered saving a good minute at level 21 Demolition at Dodo compared to pure Barrage and DS, and obviously only gets better from there. I save ~2-3 minutes using Demolition at Dodo with max Demolition.
2. No idea. I haven't had a point in orb yet.
3. I think at level 21+
4. Not sure
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - KaidaTan - 2009-10-31
Takebacker Wrote:The title probably makes no sense.1)
I'm 146 right now, just passed demo 20 and it's level 8. After demo i am probably going to max energy orb. What i want to know is the following:
1) At what level does demolition out damage barr + DS.
2) At what level does energy orb out damage energy blast.
3) At what level does energy orb out damage dragon strike. (i'm pretty sure it's 27+, but i'm just curious)
4) By how much DPS does max energy orb out damage max dragon strike? Expressed in % difference is fine.
Thanks guys.
Barr + DS = 1080+1830 = 2910 miliseconds
Demo = 2340 miliseconds
Barr + DS %DPS = ((230*10)+810)*1000/2910 = 1069% DPS
Demo (level 21) = 310*8*1000/2340 = 1060% DPS
Demo outdamages Barrage+DS at level 22 (1094% DPS)
2)
Blast = 570 ms
Orb = 930 ms
Blast (2) = 2*420*1000/570 = 1474% DPS
Blast (3) = 3*420*1000/570 = 2211% DPS
Blast (4) = 4*420*1000/570 = 2947% DPS
Orb (2, Level 23) = 2*760*1000/930 = 1471%
Orb (3, Level 27) = 3*840*1000/930 = 2204%
Orb (4, Level 30) = 4*900*1000/930 = 2857%
Orb (5, Level 25) = 5*800*1000/930 = 2892%
Orb (6, Level 25) = 6*800*1000/930 = 2892%
Orb is stronger than Blast on 2 monsters at level 24 (1510% DPS)
Orb is stronger than Blast on 3 monsters at level 28 (2256% DPS)
Orb is never stronger than Blast on 4 monsters
Orb is stronger than Blast on 5 monsters at level 26 (2964% DPS)
Orb is stronger than Blast on 6 monsters at level 25 (2892% DPS)
disclaimer
3)
DS = 1080 ms
Orb = 930 ms
DS (4) = 4*810*1000/1080 = 3000% DPS
Orb (4, Level 30) = 4*900*1000/930 = 2857% DPS
Orb will never be stronger than DS on 4 or more monsters
Orb will only be stronger on 2-3 monsters if it's level 24 or higher
This is moot anyway since DS isn't spammable. You'd likely switch between them.
4)
| Monsters | Strike | Orb |
| 1 | 750% | 968% |
| 2 | 1500% | 1742% |
| 3 | 2250% | 2361% |
| 4 | 3000% | 2857% |
| 5 | 3750% | 3253% |
| 6 | 4500% | 3570% |
All numbers are in % DPS.
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - Takebacker - 2009-10-31
KaidaTan Wrote:Numbers
Aw, guess i'm maxing ST after demo since orb isn't as great as i thought.
Thanks a lot.
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - Link - 2009-11-01
Takebacker Wrote:Aw, guess i'm maxing ST after demo since orb isn't as great as i thought.
Thanks a lot.
My thoughts exactly. Now that I just maxed Demolition today, I'm going to work on polishing off Super Transform and then do +2 orb, +1 Maple Hero every level or something like that. Or maybe +9 Maple Hero, then level 24 or so Orb, then 19 or maybe 29 Maple Hero. lol
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - Takebacker - 2009-11-01
ShiKage Wrote:My thoughts exactly. Now that I just maxed Demolition today, I'm going to work on polishing off Super Transform and then do +2 orb, +1 Maple Hero every level or something like that. Or maybe +9 Maple Hero, then level 24 or so Orb, then 19 or maybe 29 Maple Hero. lol
I was thinking of doing snatch just now actually.
Can you imagine how sexy it would be at O4 (or in general) to just keep jump snatching backwards grabbing all the guardians and dragging them along?
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - Link - 2009-11-01
Snatch doesn't do much for me. I don't really like it. When you use Snatch, about 90% of the time it brings the monsters too close and they run into you. Guardian Captains of Oblivion are the worst with it, too. Personally, I hate Snatch. lol
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - Takebacker - 2009-11-01
ShiKage Wrote:Snatch doesn't do much for me. I don't really like it. When you use Snatch, about 90% of the time it brings the monsters too close and they run into you. Guardian Captains of Oblivion are the worst with it, too. Personally, I hate Snatch. lol
Yeah, i figured the pot burn would be immense. Oh well, never getting high enough to max it anyway.
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - IllegallySane - 2009-11-01
ShiKage Wrote:Snatch doesn't do much for me. I don't really like it. When you use Snatch, about 90% of the time it brings the monsters too close and they run into you. Guardian Captains of Oblivion are the worst with it, too. Personally, I hate Snatch. lol
On the other hand though, it's damage could possibly be almost doubling your killing speed 50% of the time. Well to be honest I don't really know what to think now that I made good upgrades. I can probably predict my buffed damage range to kick into the 7k range if I get to 168 and have level 19 MW. Oh the decisions. I'll probably just wait until 165 to decide what's better.
To go Rambo and crank up EXP/hour with Snatch 50% of my training time at the cost of getting hit more, or go the safer route getting MW and boost damage by 10%, 100% of the time. But yeah, if it doesn't reduce my number of hits needed to kill, then MW19 is useless. I'll just have to wait and see.
*Kaida. Typo on Dragon Strike. It's 810% a hit instead of 750%.
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - KaidaTan - 2009-11-01
IllegallySane Wrote:*Kaida. Typo on Dragon Strike. It's 810% a hit instead of 750%.It's not a typo. Those numbers are % DPS, not % damage per hit. Perhaps I should have been more clear.
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - IllegallySane - 2009-11-01
KaidaTan Wrote:It's not a typo. Those numbers are % DPS, not % damage per hit. Perhaps I should have been more clear.
Oh whoops. Overlooked that. My bad.
*Oh if you really want to, can you help calculate damage per second with Snatch + Dragon Strike? Not sure if calculating the average critical damage will be a problem.
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - JoeTang - 2009-11-01
KaidaTan Wrote:Forgot delays
Max Energy Blast:
1 Mob: 368%/s
2 Mob: 737%/s
3 Mob: 1105%/s
4 Mob: 1474%/s
Energy Orb:
1 Mob: Level 4
2 Mob: Level 7
3 Mob: Level 11
4 Mob: Level 14
Dragon Strike:
1: 360%/s
2: 720%/s
3: 1080%/s
4: 1440%/s
5: 1800%/s
6: 2160%/s
Energy Orb:
1: Level 3
2: Level 7
3: Level 10
4: Level 14
5: Level 18
6: Level 22
Energy Blast + Dragon Strike Combo:
1 Mob: 547%/s
2 Mob: 1093%/s
3 Mob: 1640%/s
4 Mob: 2187%/s
5 Mob: 2547%/s
6 Mob: 2907%/s
Energy Orb + Dragon Strike Combo:
1 Mob: Level 8 (Almost identical at level 7)
2 Mob: Level 12
3 Mob: Level 16
4 Mob: Level 21
5 Mob: Level 19
6 Mob: Level 18
DPS Table for Orb:
| Level | Damage | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 |
| 1 | 300 | 322.58 | 537.63 | ||||
| 2 | 320 | 344.09 | 573.48 | ||||
| 3 | 340 | 365.59 | 609.32 | ||||
| 4 | 360 | 387.1 | 645.16 | ||||
| 5 | 380 | 408.6 | 681 | ||||
| 6 | 400 | 430.11 | 716.85 | ||||
| 7 | 420 | 451.61 | 752.69 | 953.41 | |||
| 8 | 440 | 473.12 | 788.53 | 998.81 | |||
| 9 | 460 | 494.62 | 824.37 | 1044.21 | |||
| 10 | 480 | 516.13 | 860.22 | 1089.61 | |||
| 11 | 510 | 548.39 | 913.98 | 1157.71 | |||
| 12 | 530 | 569.89 | 949.82 | 1203.11 | |||
| 13 | 550 | 591.4 | 985.66 | 1248.51 | 1423.74 | ||
| 14 | 570 | 612.9 | 1021.51 | 1293.91 | 1475.51 | ||
| 15 | 590 | 634.41 | 1057.35 | 1339.31 | 1527.28 | ||
| 16 | 610 | 655.91 | 1093.19 | 1384.71 | 1579.05 | ||
| 17 | 630 | 677.42 | 1129.03 | 1430.11 | 1630.82 | ||
| 18 | 650 | 698.92 | 1164.87 | 1475.51 | 1682.6 | ||
| 19 | 670 | 720.43 | 1200.72 | 1520.91 | 1734.37 | 1876.68 | |
| 20 | 690 | 741.94 | 1236.56 | 1566.31 | 1786.14 | 1932.7 | |
| 21 | 720 | 774.19 | 1290.32 | 1634.41 | 1863.8 | 2016.73 | |
| 22 | 740 | 795.7 | 1326.16 | 1679.81 | 1915.57 | 2072.75 | |
| 23 | 760 | 817.2 | 1362.01 | 1725.21 | 1967.34 | 2128.77 | |
| 24 | 780 | 838.71 | 1397.85 | 1770.61 | 2019.12 | 2184.79 | |
| 25 | 800 | 860.22 | 1433.69 | 1816.01 | 2070.89 | 2240.81 | 2354.09 |
| 26 | 820 | 881.72 | 1469.53 | 1861.41 | 2122.66 | 2296.83 | 2412.94 |
| 27 | 840 | 903.23 | 1505.38 | 1906.81 | 2174.43 | 2352.85 | 2471.79 |
| 28 | 860 | 924.73 | 1541.22 | 1952.21 | 2226.2 | 2408.87 | 2530.64 |
| 29 | 880 | 946.24 | 1577.06 | 1997.61 | 2277.98 | 2464.89 | 2589.5 |
| 30 | 900 | 967.74 | 1612.9 | 2043.01 | 2329.75 | 2520.91 | 2648.35 |
DPS Table for Orb + Dragon Strike:
| Level | Damage | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 |
| 1 | 300 | 493.33 | 942.22 | 1302.22 | 1662.22 | 2022.22 | 2382.22 |
| 2 | 320 | 502.22 | 957.04 | 1317.04 | 1677.04 | 2037.04 | 2397.04 |
| 3 | 340 | 511.11 | 971.85 | 1331.85 | 1691.85 | 2051.85 | 2411.85 |
| 4 | 360 | 520 | 986.67 | 1346.67 | 1706.67 | 2066.67 | 2426.67 |
| 5 | 380 | 528.89 | 1001.48 | 1361.48 | 1721.48 | 2081.48 | 2441.48 |
| 6 | 400 | 537.78 | 1016.3 | 1376.3 | 1736.3 | 2096.3 | 2456.3 |
| 7 | 420 | 546.67 | 1031.11 | 1474.07 | 1834.07 | 2194.07 | 2554.07 |
| 8 | 440 | 555.56 | 1045.93 | 1492.84 | 1852.84 | 2212.84 | 2572.84 |
| 9 | 460 | 564.44 | 1060.74 | 1511.6 | 1871.6 | 2231.6 | 2591.6 |
| 10 | 480 | 573.33 | 1075.56 | 1530.37 | 1890.37 | 2250.37 | 2610.37 |
| 11 | 510 | 586.67 | 1097.78 | 1558.52 | 1918.52 | 2278.52 | 2638.52 |
| 12 | 530 | 595.56 | 1112.59 | 1577.28 | 1937.28 | 2297.28 | 2657.28 |
| 13 | 550 | 604.44 | 1127.41 | 1596.05 | 2028.48 | 2388.48 | 2748.48 |
| 14 | 570 | 613.33 | 1142.22 | 1614.81 | 2049.88 | 2409.88 | 2769.88 |
| 15 | 590 | 622.22 | 1157.04 | 1633.58 | 2071.28 | 2431.28 | 2791.28 |
| 16 | 610 | 631.11 | 1171.85 | 1652.35 | 2092.67 | 2452.67 | 2812.67 |
| 17 | 630 | 640 | 1186.67 | 1671.11 | 2114.07 | 2474.07 | 2834.07 |
| 18 | 650 | 648.89 | 1201.48 | 1689.88 | 2135.47 | 2495.47 | 2855.47 |
| 19 | 670 | 657.78 | 1216.3 | 1708.64 | 2156.87 | 2575.69 | 2935.69 |
| 20 | 690 | 666.67 | 1231.11 | 1727.41 | 2178.27 | 2598.85 | 2958.85 |
| 21 | 720 | 680 | 1253.33 | 1755.56 | 2210.37 | 2633.58 | 2993.58 |
| 22 | 740 | 688.89 | 1268.15 | 1774.32 | 2231.77 | 2656.74 | 3016.74 |
| 23 | 760 | 697.78 | 1282.96 | 1793.09 | 2253.17 | 2679.89 | 3039.89 |
| 24 | 780 | 706.67 | 1297.78 | 1811.85 | 2274.57 | 2703.05 | 3063.05 |
| 25 | 800 | 715.56 | 1312.59 | 1830.62 | 2295.97 | 2726.2 | 3133.02 |
| 26 | 820 | 724.44 | 1327.41 | 1849.38 | 2317.37 | 2749.36 | 3157.35 |
| 27 | 840 | 733.33 | 1342.22 | 1868.15 | 2338.77 | 2772.51 | 3181.67 |
| 28 | 860 | 742.22 | 1357.04 | 1886.91 | 2360.16 | 2795.67 | 3206 |
| 29 | 880 | 751.11 | 1371.85 | 1905.68 | 2381.56 | 2818.82 | 3230.32 |
| 30 | 900 | 760 | 1386.67 | 1924.44 | 2402.96 | 2841.98 | 3254.65 |
And as far as I know, Orb reduction is 2/3rds. It'd be pineappleing fantastic if it actually were 0.80 but we live in a world where Buccaneers
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - KaidaTan - 2009-11-01
IllegallySane Wrote:Oh whoops. Overlooked that. My bad.If by help you, you mean do it for you, then sure.
*Oh if you really want to, can you help calculate damage per second with Snatch + Dragon Strike? Not sure if calculating the average critical damage will be a problem.
Snatch + DS = 750+1080 = 1830 ms
Without SE = (600+846)*1000/1830 = 790% per monster (790, 1580, 2370, 3160, 3950, 4740)
With SE = (600+960)*1000/1830 = 852% per monster (852, 1705, 2557, 3410, 4262, 5115)
This assumes DS un-stuns all the monsters it hits, which I think it does.
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - KaidaTan - 2009-11-01
JoeTang Wrote:And as far as I know, Orb reduction is 2/3rds. It'd be pineappleing fantastic if it actually were 0.80 but we live in a world where BuccaneersOh it is? Blame Carlos, he told me 0.8. I knew it was made higher, but I wasn't sure to what.suckaren't as great as other jobs at DPSing.
Also... delay what? I don't understand. I was under the impression that the delay for Blast was removed entirely and the delays for the other skills were lowered enough for alternation to be very possible. Are you perhaps using the outdated delays on LazyBui's thread?
Buccaneer skill replacement levels - Beaner - 2009-11-01
KaidaTan Wrote:Oh it is? Blame Carlos, he told me 0.8. I knew it was made higher, but I wasn't sure to what.
Also... delay what? I don't understand. I was under the impression that the delay for Blast was removed entirely and the delays for the other skills were lowered enough for alternation to be very possible. Are you perhaps using the outdated delays on LazyBui's thread?
hey dont trow this at me, when you start talking numbers i say "yes yes alex" to everything and stop listening. blame god for making me allergic to numbers.