Dark knight: Am I failing or what!?

Holy crap. I think my eyes are bleeding from the stupidity that's oozing from this thread. As a DrK myself, I PERSONALLY am tired of all the peaching and whining about HP being "ohh so hard" to maintain in zerk. So what? You have to pot after every hit, big pineappleing deal. Almost every other class in the game does as well?

And lets not forget that we 2hko skeles consistently at a lower level than any other class besides mages (and even then in certain cases). We get a skill that doubles our damage output at the cost of half of our HP, that's a pretty fricken good trade off. If you don't like it, choose another class.

For the thread starter, your gear is going to get you nowhere if you cannot zerk. You should sell the Naka and use the skis as you'll 2hit until your 18x's with either spear. Zerk 30 is the most important skill, and if you can't train without it than what's the point of all the gear?

If you are having that much difficulty using Zerk20 to kill them, why not just move down a bit and NOT use it. Or try practicing using Zerk20 on weaker monsters and move up when you've got it down.

Your alternatives are getting Berserk 30, HP washing, not Berserking, upgrading equips, and not training at Skele - all of which apparently are a no-go, so you've nothing but to keep practicing (and dying). Heck, every Dark Knight's had his/her share of deaths because of Berserk. The frustration's normal. 4.9k is more than enough to Berserk Skele; you just need more practice is all. Don't Rush Skelegon/Skelosaurus if you're doing that. If the mob is too big and all aggro'ed, don't forget that you can always full pot and kill them without Berserk. Autopot would help a lot if you don't already have it (especially in your Touch-Beam scenario).

As for your 2HKO's, Berserk 30 would raise your 2HKO rate more than half of your current equips do already. If 10 more STR would allow you to 2HKO with your Skis, then you may as well use Ciders (unless you already use 20+ ATT buffs). Cider-mule outside of the map if you have to.

Your alternatives are getting Berserk 30, HP washing, not Berserking, upgrading equips, and not training at Skele - all of which apparently are a no-go, so you've nothing but to keep practicing (and dying). Heck, every Dark Knight's had his/her share of deaths because of Berserk. The frustration's normal. 4.9k is more than enough to Berserk Skele; you just need more practice is all. Don't Rush Skelegon/Skelosaurus if you're doing that. If the mob is too big and all aggro'ed, don't forget that you can always full pot and kill them without Berserk. Autopot would help a lot if you don't already have it (especially in your Touch-Beam scenario).

As for your 2HKO's, Berserk 30 would raise your 2HKO rate more than half of your current equips do already. If 10 more STR would allow you to 2HKO with your Skis, then you may as well use Ciders (unless you already use 20+ ATT buffs). Cider-mule outside of the map if you have to.

I haven't actually died, it's just really difficult. Upgrading my gear isn't an option because I mean honestly what could I upgrade that would significantly raise my damage? I'm not saying not zerking isn't an option, that's what I have been doing (or overpotting zerk) I'm not saying skele's or nothing but I do have a bishop who trains with me so I mean from my understanding thers no better experience. As for pot, I use 12att, I'm running out of pine chews . So maybe the 8att would make the diff. (Then again I don't remember if I used a warrior elixer during that specific training session).

I'm not trying to say I'm too good for every option you listed me, but in my situation I'm either at a dead end, or the way I'm doing is more sufficient. I'm assuming I'm doing everything right though considering all the responses are things I've tried/considered. Thanks for the help though, the cider thing mihgt help if I ever expand my use tab >_>;

Holy crap. I think my eyes are bleeding from the stupidity that's oozing from this thread. As a DrK myself, I PERSONALLY am tired of all the peaching and whining about HP being "ohh so hard" to maintain in zerk. So what? You have to pot after every hit, big pineappleing deal. Almost every other class in the game does as well?

And lets not forget that we 2hko skeles at a lower level than any other class besides mages (and even then in certain cases). We get a skill that doubles our damage output at the cost of half of our HP, that's a pretty fricken good trade off. If you don't like it, choose another class.

For the thread starter, your gear is going to get you nowhere if you cannot zerk. You should sell the Naka and use the skis as you'll 2hit until your 18x's with either spear. Zerk 30 is the most important skill, and if you can't train without it than what's the point of all the gear?

I'm just going to ignore your post even though I'm ever so tempted to walk you out. It was rather rude and most of your information is way off (rather assumption) and not worth addressing.

At a ranged comin into the warrior boards whining how their hp is also low.. L-O-L.

At the threadstarted, better of just buyin serk30 its worth the meso. Its hard getting into HT groups without the right contacts and your lvl doesnt help much either. It took me 4 books iirc so even if you would go 'earn' it you wouldnt have it anytime soon.

Ey I see what you mean, mind telling me what HP I should be holding to zerk at time temple?

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Enough to take 1 hit safely, or at least 4900. You could, but you'd be potting constantly. I'd recommend having 9k+ berserk range to keep you from burning through all your pots in roughly an hour. Touch damage is appx 3700 or so, make sure you bump them instead of get magic'd. You can take 2 touches with 7500 HP (Zerk), but anything else will pretty much wipe you out. One of the magic attacks does 3700ish as well, but don't rely on that. To really have an easy time there, 10k is the minimum - this allows you to safely take 2 hits and still have 200-300+ hp left. Achilles helps, but may hurt your training speed. Do not expect to 2hit them with Crusher as a spear DrK until roughly 150+ (depends on gear)(minimum Crusher needed is 70k to 2hit a 140k hp monster).[/COLOR]

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15000HP can do anything

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Achilles helps, but may hurt your training speed.[/COLOR]

Do you mean if you pick Achilles in lieu of Rush?

I'm just going to ignore your post even though I'm ever so tempted to walk you out. It was rather rude and most of your information is way off (rather assumption) and not worth addressing.

Care to elaborate? Everything I said I posted from experience and can back up.

I love how you tell people to do a blood build in another thread, but then you come in here and bit~ch about your HP being an issue? Lol?

Give me a break; walk met out? You're joking right? You need to step off of your high horse for once. You've been a part of this forum for less than 2 months and you've only managed to portray yourself as someone who thinks they know everything, in-spite of overwhelming evidence that says otherwise. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

Get over yourself.

Care to elaborate? Everything I said I posted from experience and can back up.

I love how you tell people to do a blood build in another thread, but then you come in here and bit~ch about your HP being an issue? Lol?

Give me a break; walk met out? You're joking right? You need to step off of your high horse for once. You've been a part of this forum for less than 2 months and you've only managed to portray yourself as someone who thinks they know everything, in-spite of overwhelming evidence that says otherwise. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

Get over yourself.

Ya know, I could respond and show you how much a fool you really are. You aren't worth the time though because all you can focus on is my attitude, which you could have avoided by coming in here in a civil manner rather than whining about me complaining. Oh just for a lil reminder, I was clarifying if this 'trouble' is nerfed by gettign zerk 30 and if this is a normal challenge most players face. Hardly complaining. Also yeah my hp washing strategy would work but first I have to have enough base str in order to 2 hit skelegons 100% then I can add it. Hm, seems your not as knowledgable as you claim you are?

Also, a comma=/=semicolin. You say I'm not oh so brilliant, which you claim I imply, yet you haven't actually challenged anything I have said, only attempted to belittle me for your interpretation of whining rather than a reach out to know the general view of this.

You tell me to get over myself yet here you are still trying to talk down to me.

And then you go to boil down to reputation..on a fan site. I use this place for information, I'm not here to make friends. If you want to prove me wrong that's fine, I'll concede. Your advice was useless to any player because using another darks advice I continued leveling with no problems. You telling my gear wont subsitute the skill is obvious, but it certainly helps. Hell you didn't even read the thread.

Once again theres the door, I suggest you take it because your personal attacks will evidently get you no where.

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Enough to take 1 hit safely, or at least 4900. You could, but you'd be potting constantly. I'd recommend having 9k+ berserk range to keep you from burning through all your pots in roughly an hour. Touch damage is appx 3700 or so, make sure you bump them instead of get magic'd. You can take 2 touches with 7500 HP (Zerk), but anything else will pretty much wipe you out. One of the magic attacks does 3700ish as well, but don't rely on that. To really have an easy time there, 10k is the minimum - this allows you to safely take 2 hits and still have 200-300+ hp left. Achilles helps, but may hurt your training speed. Do not expect to 2hit them with Crusher as a spear DrK until roughly 150+ (depends on gear)(minimum Crusher needed is 70k to 2hit a 140k hp monster).[/COLOR]

Thanks that gives me a better understanding at least lol. At zerk 19 i was doing like 12-15k a shot so I don't know how I'm going to break 70k by 150 x_x

Passed zerk 30 first try, hells to the ya, end thread.

Ya know, I could respond and show you how much a fool you really are. You aren't worth the time though because all you can focus on is my attitude, which you could have avoided by coming in here in a civil manner rather than whining about me complaining. Oh just for a lil reminder, I was clarifying if this 'trouble' is nerfed by gettign zerk 30 and if this is a normal challenge most players face. Hardly complaining. Also yeah my hp washing strategy would work but first I have to have enough base str in order to 2 hit skelegons 100% then I can add it. Hm, seems your not as knowledgable as you claim you are?

So you admit you're complaining. And just because I don't know the exact circumstances surrounding your damage does not mean I am not knowledge about it. "Guess you're not as 'knowledgeable' as you think you are. Just curious, where did I claim anything? You really ought to stop trying to put words into people's mouths.

Also, a comma=/=semicolin. You say I'm not oh so brilliant, which you claim I imply, yet you haven't actually challenged anything I have said, only attempted to belittle me for your interpretation of whining rather than a reach out to know the general view of this.

Once again, a wasted paragraph of something you think I imply, and yet I never once said anything along those lines, did I? If you're going to try and correct my grammatical errors, you may want to try and spell correctly first.

You tell me to get over myself yet here you are still trying to talk down to me.

Where did I talk down on you the first time? Still trying means that I am continuing an assault on you, which I wasn't. In fact, the majority of my first post was not even directed towards you.

And then you go to boil down to reputation..on a fan site. I use this place for information, I'm not here to make friends. If you want to prove me wrong that's fine, I'll concede. Your advice was useless to any player because using another darks advice I continued leveling with no problems. You telling my gear wont subsitute the skill is obvious, but it certainly helps. Hell you didn't even read the thread.

My post was to supply, and make you aware of there being more than one option. As for your reputation there isn't much that I can say about you, other than that I think you're a pompous ass. You think you're hot pomegranate bolding portions of paragraphs as if you think you're making a(n) relevant post; even when 90% of your post is based solely on assumptions of what I may or may not have been implying.



I gave you sound practical advice, whether you choose to follow it is of no consequence to me.

Once again theres the door, I suggest you take it because your personal attacks will evidently get you no where.

And there you go again with that egotistical attitude. Your asinine comments don't mean anything to me when you're not even backing yourself up very well anyways.

Again, get over yourself. (Ohh nuus, a personal attack. Don't cry again)

Do you mean if you pick Achilles in lieu of Rush?

[color="#cc8899"]In lieu of anything else, given that it affects nothing but damage taken. Stance reduces knockback, and has a purpose. Beholder's Hex buffs you, adding damage and saving time from casting buffs. Berserk is raw damage. MW is damage and acc. Magnet even has some training uses, provided you actually max it (I plan on it, but have other priorities atm). Everything has a use to speed up training except Achilles, which purely saves you potions and maybe some grief.

Beholder's Aura is about the only other skill that has no use other than saving money/making Berserk slightly easier.

Vindictive and Imagine, both of you are equally responsible for the current argument. My advice to both of you is to just drop it, it obviously isn't productive and is likely to get you both in trouble.[/COLOR]

[color="#cc8899"]In lieu of anything else, given that it affects nothing but damage taken. Stance reduces knockback, and has a purpose. Beholder's Hex buffs you, adding damage and saving time from casting buffs. Berserk is raw damage. MW is damage and acc. Magnet even has some training uses, provided you actually max it (I plan on it, but have other priorities atm). Everything has a use to speed up training except Achilles, which purely saves you potions and maybe some grief.

Beholder's Aura is about the only other skill that has no use other than saving money/making Berserk slightly easier.

Vindictive and Imagine, both of you are equally responsible for the current argument. My advice to both of you is to just drop it, it obviously isn't productive and is likely to get you both in trouble.[/COLOR]

actually its my fault, but i am enjoying it so shhhh

Vindictive and Imagine, both of you are equally responsible for the current argument. My advice to both of you is to just drop it, it obviously isn't productive and is likely to get you both in trouble.

Just curious as to what I did to prompt this? I'm sorry if I dislike a bunch of people whining over something that is entirely their choice.

Just curious as to what I did to prompt this? I'm sorry if I dislike a bunch of people whining over something that is entirely their choice.

Just curious how does acting naive get you anywhere? Oh look I got berzerk 30 to work, there problem solved. Your entire post was "I hate whiners!" yet it's hypocritical on its own because you're..well whining. I read your last post with no substantial value except "u such a jerk@@". Seriously, should I show you my "I don't care" meter because it's as empty as your advice.

Here's my advice, you're a dark knight, you have done nothing productive by even entering this thread. Stop wasting my time, oh wait that sounds so egotistical I should change it to your time because I mean no ones better than you right? It's funny because you just make yourself out as a hypocrite and I'm sitting here smiling while you make a fool out of yourself. Even now you are so concerned about whos fault it is (Primarely yours with your "I'm tired of all darks whining but I'll continue to read the post, make sure everyone knows my feelings and give the most unsubstantial advice ever!" we wouldn't be here now would he?

Two people made this thread uncivil, yourself included. If you try to belittle someone and try to play the "it wasnt directed at you!" Don't make it so blatently obvious.

We done yet? Once again I'm not whining, I did a joking tone of "fail" (I would think the title would have implied it.) But here to humor you I will decifer your original post:

Holy crap. I think my eyes are bleeding from the stupidity that's oozing from this thread.

Yes this comment doesn't imply anything or start your post off as anything. How dare I or any user get into a discussion because of someone whining about his HP being a ranged class. I mean that's the threads fault right.

As a DrK myself, I PERSONALLY am tired of all the peaching and whining about HP being "ohh so hard" to maintain in zerk. So what? You have to pot after every hit, big pineappleing deal. Almost every other class in the game does as well?

So er am I wrong to imply you are saying my thread is nothing but a whiney rant saying how darks suck and that the class sucks? Funny when I wrote/read it, it came across to me as "Hey, is this hp frustration normal or am I doing something wrong?". It is indeed frustrating to try to skele with only 4.9k to work with, does that mean "I WANT TO QUIT" no.

Then you make the same mistake xbish did, comparing two classes. Sorry but right there shows that your experience isn't valuable. Such comparisons were already clarified earlier in the thread, read them if you like. I assure you from my personal experience, maintaining 4.9k Hp for zerk trigger is a lot different then lets say maintaining 4.9k hp for a bowmaster. If you really need me to clarify that you should probably take another look at your dark knight, lol.

And lets not forget that we 2hko skeles consistently at a lower level than any other class besides mages (and even then in certain cases). We get a skill that doubles our damage output at the cost of half of our HP, that's a pretty fricken good trade off. If you don't like it, choose another class.

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Er, hero/DrK have the same DPS (or just about). Hero has to maintain 8k+ hp while we have to maintain 4.9k to get the same DPS as them. Sure we can two hit ko but I assure you hero's will have an easier time doing it considering they can overpot.

For the thread starter, your gear is going to get you nowhere if you cannot zerk. You should sell the Naka and use the skis as you'll 2hit until your 18x's with either spear. Zerk 30 is the most important skill, and if you can't train without it than what's the point of all the gear?

And finally your advice. First off I never said I had a naka, only skis. I also didn't have zerk 30 (Now I can get it considering the skill passed) so that defeats your advice further, zerking with 50% vs 39% is one dam big difference. See my point?

Your post was offencive and clearly showed you didn't even bothering reading about what I was concerned about.

Your welcome.

Seriously guys? Do all of you have to argue about whether or not it's harder to train as a Dark Knight or *insert range class?* That's not the point of this thread.

Although I do agree with ImagineAll with this sentence

"For the thread starter, your gear is going to get you nowhere if you cannot zerk. You should sell the Naka and use the skis as you'll 2hit until your 18x's with either spear. Zerk 30 is the most important skill, and if you can't train without it than what's the point of all the gear?"

Seriously guys? Do all of you have to argue about whether or not it's harder to train as a Dark Knight or *insert range class?* That's not the point of this thread.

Although I do agree with ImagineAll with this sentence

"For the thread starter, your gear is going to get you nowhere if you cannot zerk. You should sell the Naka and use the skis as you'll 2hit until your 18x's with either spear. Zerk 30 is the most important skill, and if you can't train without it than what's the point of all the gear?"

Yes, the inaccurate statement. I didn't have zerk 30 and didn't have the funds at the time to make it a 'gurranteed' thing. The gear is there the same reason you have gear. I'm not saying the skill is essential it was just out of my reach at the time. I now have it so there's no worries.

Not worth it.

Good day ~

[color="#cc8899"]In lieu of anything else, given that it affects nothing but damage taken. Stance reduces knockback, and has a purpose. Beholder's Hex buffs you, adding damage and saving time from casting buffs. Berserk is raw damage. MW is damage and acc. Magnet even has some training uses, provided you actually max it (I plan on it, but have other priorities atm). Everything has a use to speed up training except Achilles, which purely saves you potions and maybe some grief.

Beholder's Aura is about the only other skill that has no use other than saving money/making Berserk slightly easier.
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Well, if you already had enough accuracy, you wouldn't need Hex at all, given that the avoid/def increases are almost negligible, and if you got it to the point where it adds attack, you've done something wrong :f6:.

I'm just noting where I am at the moment with my character, and thinking about what will make my game more enjoyable. More Rush definitely helped, with more ease of use given by higher levels of the skill, and Achilles and Aura have brought down some of the "grief" of training/bossing. Knowing I can charge in and not have to worry about potting after every hit makes my day a little easier.

I'm definitely considering adding MW20 of my own instead of maxing Achilles, however, if only so I can come that much closer to 2hitting 100% in ROT4. I suppose Achilles is more of a luxury than anything else.

Well, if you already had enough accuracy, you wouldn't need Hex at all, given that the avoid/def increases are almost negligible, and if you got it to the point where it adds attack, you've done something wrong :f6:.

I'm just noting where I am at the moment with my character, and thinking about what will make my game more enjoyable. More Rush definitely helped, with more ease of use given by higher levels of the skill, and Achilles and Aura have brought down some of the "grief" of training/bossing. Knowing I can charge in and not have to worry about potting after every hit makes my day a little easier.

I'm definitely considering adding MW20 of my own instead of maxing Achilles, however, if only so I can come that much closer to 2hitting 100% in ROT4. I suppose Achilles is more of a luxury than anything else.

Don't get me wrong, I love the skill. I was simply noting that it mainly exists to make things easier on you, not to boost training speed. I absolutely LOVE maxed Rush (que me never shutting up about it, and using it every chance I get), and I highly recommend MW19 if you can afford it. Assuming it means 35 points of STR (a modest estimate for warriors, not too high but reasonable, assuming 700 base STR) added when training normally, you're basically getting a free 7 levels of damage from it. The more base STR you have, the more you benefit as well. That, and it gives you another way to help in bossing.