Sure the american educational system is flawed, in many aspects, but how in the heck does one go about to fix said problems?
Force the ideas/knowledge down their throats - Sure they may score well on tests if they only have to regurgitate the info... But pose them with a change on topic and people only complain that it wasn't taught and fail anyway. I.E. Teaching 1+1=2 and 2-1=1 and testing only 1+1=? but test it with multiple addends and you'll lose probably half of the (hopefully these are kindergardeners/1st graders) class.
Offer the experience - by offering the experience the offerer has to assume that the offeree has an inherent drive to experience said experience. Trouble with that? very few actually posess this drive or have alternative goals to distract from the experience. I.E. Show people the usefulness of a wooden toolbox and then tell them you can have one too if you follow my teachings!, but only people that found the toolbox useful will want to learn how to make one....
And a thought along all these lines: Look around the world at different societies and what is taught in their schools... Mostly you'll find that a country's educational system is geared towards pumping out copies of idealistic citizens. If your contry is based around farmers why the heck would you teach about the theory of relativity? You wouldn't. the proper citizen of said society would be a farmer, not just any farmer but a farmer thats better than the farmers before him/her. If we only applied that idea to schooling, focused more on strengths while maintaining a well rounded education, weeding out those that feel they aren't playing to their strengths along the way, and offering ulimited chances to better oneself maybe we could improve. But with the current state of society as a whole (too focused on outdoing eachother be it monetarily or in terms of military might etc.) my ideas would be too idealistic to ever come to fruition...
tl;dr Ignore my post cause you've just been weeded out of life...
I have something to say about the reading thing. Last year I was in the academic Lit. comp. class for freshmen. Sadly, out teacher had to leave to fill another job because of the original job holder having a heart attack (He's ok though, just had to recover). Our new teacher was of a lower quality and the kids knew it. When she tried to get people to read NO ONE would read. In response she would give us "Surprise Quizzes" if one person didn't read. As a person who always does her homework and reading is the easiest thing in the world, I wonder; Why do people refuse to read? "Bawwwwww I have a life no time to read 10 pages!" I doesn't take an hour to read 10 pages, unless you can't read at all. And if they had a mental problem they wouldn't BE in this class, or if they couldn't read they also wouldn't be in this class. But they refused to read and the whole class got punished. I just don't understand what is so HARD about reading? To me, it's the easiest homework ever. Then again, my class is stupid. It astonished me how unwilling kids are to learn. x_x
TehMatt Wrote:Appears to me that you don't know how to work the system. I love to learn. I do learn.
About homework, come on. I don't know how no one ever realizes you DON'T HAVE TO DO IT TILL HIGH SCHOOL. Seriously, it is impossible to fail (unless your parents agree to hold you back) before high school (at least in California).
Care to elaborate how I dont know how to 'work' the system? I don't know about california but in Maryland to 'work' the system you have to be algebra 2by 9th(or maybe 8th cant recall) grade. Allowing you to do two math college courses before even leaving high school.
Grants can only go so far, loans aren't even worth it if you look at it statistically, which you havent I assume. I'm talking college level, not silly high school. You know how college works? Depending on the teacher you may not even have to show up for class unless theres a test (in my school ate least, they will email you to warn you). Most if not all your work is done at home. So in my county they reinforce that as young as 5th grade. If anything it appears to me your school system is inferior if you want to challenge 'working' the system. Loans can have an interest that would make you pay nearly double back (ITT technical institue is another great example of this). If you are below 25 your parents income counts towards that loan. Bigger numbers =less likely to get a chunk of change.
You know I tried college, it seemed like a repeat of HS except teachers care less, they are proned to screw you over more, and the work load is average 1hour spent in class is 3 hours worth of work at home. Working out your general classes is a pain in the ass and once again redundent bull pomegrant but you gotta do it. Frankly I'm considering other things besides the standard college routine so I actually feel interested in it. But from my own research and parents opinion college is a down right overated pothole in life and if anything you should get a company to pay for it to enhance your education. I gurrantee, full heartidly anyone who just jumps into college wil be in debt for a very long time. This is speaking as of 6 years of course (2 standard, 4 for bachlors). Yeah gratz you got the piece of paper to get that job you always wanted!...Have fun paying it off; and according to pretty much any source of information on the subject will you tell you the same thing.
And about homework, let me put it in a perspective you understand. The public school education system goes by one thing; We teach you how to do the dam thing now you have to do monkey work until its stuck in your head on your own time.
In high school, I didn't have to attend unless I understood it because I brought this up to my superintendent (who made us the guinea pig class of 2000 by changing our hours to 7:17am-1:55pm, 4 classes 84 minutes long with a 32% increase rate in homework) that I find it silly I have to attend a class where most people sleep in during the lecture and still pass because our teachers pretty much recite the answers over and over again. Gimme the bookwork the county tests on and I'll do it myself. If I don't understand said material then I will attend the class. What happened? Well he didn't argue because if I can still pass the tests that test standards in flying colors why do I need to attend it.
What I do? I only worked 3 hours a day while most of my friends were stuck for 6 hours, went to school when I felt the need too or needed to take a test. So I went to school about every 3 days and occassionaly because I didn't comprehend some stuff that ends up being irrelevent unless i somehow land in the 3% of available jobs it applies too.
Care to elaborate how I dont know how to 'work' the system? I don't know about california but in Maryland to 'work' the system you have to be algebra 2by 9th(or maybe 8th cant recall) grade. Allowing you to do two math college courses before even leaving high school.
Grants can only go so far, loans aren't even worth it if you look at it statistically, which you havent I assume. I'm talking college level, not silly high school. You know how college works? Depending on the teacher you may not even have to show up for class unless theres a test (in my school ate least, they will email you to warn you). Most if not all your work is done at home. So in my county they reinforce that as young as 5th grade. If anything it appears to me your school system is inferior if you want to challenge 'working' the system. Loans can have an interest that would make you pay nearly double back (ITT technical institue is another great example of this). If you are below 25 your parents income counts towards that loan. Bigger numbers =less likely to get a chunk of change.
You know I tried college, it seemed like a repeat of HS except teachers care less, they are proned to screw you over more, and the work load is average 1hour spent in class is 3 hours worth of work at home. Working out your general classes is a pain in the ass and once again redundent bull pomegrant but you gotta do it. Frankly I'm considering other things besides the standard college routine so I actually feel interested in it. But from my own research and parents opinion college is a down right overated pothole in life and if anything you should get a company to pay for it to enhance your education. I gurrantee, full heartidly anyone who just jumps into college wil be in debt for a very long time. This is speaking as of 6 years of course (2 standard, 4 for bachlors). Yeah gratz you got the piece of paper to get that job you always wanted!...Have fun paying it off; and according to pretty much any source of information on the subject will you tell you the same thing.
And about homework, let me put it in a perspective you understand. The public school education system goes by one thing; We teach you how to do the dam thing now you have to do monkey work until its stuck in your head on your own time.
In high school, I didn't have to attend unless I understood it because I brought this up to my superintendent (who made us the guinea pig class of 2000 by changing our hours to 7:17am-1:55pm, 4 classes 84 minutes long with a 32% increase rate in homework) that I find it silly I have to attend a class where most people sleep in during the lecture and still pass because our teachers pretty much recite the answers over and over again. Gimme the bookwork the county tests on and I'll do it myself. If I don't understand said material then I will attend the class. What happened? Well he didn't argue because if I can still pass the tests that test standards in flying colors why do I need to attend it.
What I do? I only worked 3 hours a day while most of my friends were stuck for 6 hours, went to school when I felt the need too or needed to take a test. So I went to school about every 3 days and occassionaly because I didn't comprehend some stuff that ends up being irrelevent unless i somehow land in the 3% of available jobs it applies too.
So, how do you work the system?
How to work the system:
1. Teachers have people and have emotions. Say hi the first day, and get out materials. Sit in front (you'll be moved most likely for assigned seats). Do all your homework the first week or so, and don't be late. Then they'll like you and forgive you later. Also, you should befriend your counselor early. Just stop by and say hi. Anything to get them to like you. If your counselor likes you then they will help you when you need to get an easy teacher.
2. Learns the grading system well, and plan out when you don't need to do things. Snatch up the easy homework assignments, and don't do the big ones. Also see if you can arrange something with people to copy them one night and they copy you one night. If you know you're going to be taking a class that a friend is currently taking later then see if you can get their work when it is given back. That makes that class so much easier.
3. Pay attention during lectures. Actually learn. You'll need to actually know what they're talking about if you're going to not do any work. This also makes the teacher happy with you. If you pay attention, and do great on tests then they don't care as much if you blow off assignments or do projects last minute.
4. Don't overachieve on early projects. If the teacher sees the messiah of all projects from you then they will expect that again. If you do an average project then they will expect an average project the next time.
This is just my way at least, and for high school. I always get an A. I'm also not in remedial classes.
1. Teachers have people and have emotions. Say hi the first day, and get out materials. Sit in front (you'll be moved most likely for assigned seats). Do all your homework the first week or so, and don't be late. Then they'll like you and forgive you later. Also, you should befriend your counselor early. Just stop by and say hi. Anything to get them to like you. If your counselor likes you then they will help you when you need to get an easy teacher.
2. Learns the grading system well, and plan out when you don't need to do things. Snatch up the easy homework assignments, and don't do the big ones. Also see if you can arrange something with people to copy them one night and they copy you one night. If you know you're going to be taking a class that a friend is currently taking later then see if you can get their work when it is given back. That makes that class so much easier.
3. Pay attention during lectures. Actually learn. You'll need to actually know what they're talking about if you're going to not do any work. This also makes the teacher happy with you. If you pay attention, and do great on tests then they don't care as much if you blow off assignments or do projects last minute.
4. Don't overachieve on early projects. If the teacher sees the messiah of all projects from you then they will expect that again. If you do an average project then they will expect an average project the next time.
This is just my way at least, and for high school. I always get an A. I'm also not in remedial classes.
What school do you go to so I can see the national 'grade' on it? Also high school is much different than college. High school you get a relationship with your teacher, for College, at least in my experience you don't get that kind of oppurtunity. Also I'm looking at the finacial piece of it, which handicaps a lot of students including myself. Even with the grants I have acquired it only pays for meh a year and a half of my education.
Your 'working' the system is just about what a responsible student should do, not really concrete. A lot based off assumptions anyway.
ImVindictive Wrote:What school do you go to so I can see the national 'grade' on it? Also high school is much different than college. High school you get a relationship with your teacher, for College, at least in my experience you don't get that kind of oppurtunity. Also I'm looking at the finacial piece of it, which handicaps a lot of students including myself. Even with the grants I have acquired it only pays for meh a year and a half of my education.
Your 'working' the system is just about what a responsible student should do, not really concrete. A lot based off assumptions anyway.
Another two cents - schools (especially public school systems) are mainly concerned about raising their test scores. It's a lot easier to squeeze points out of the low end than the ones who are already performing well. The majority of the people at the low end are there because they don't apply themselves. Therefore, they can't be relied on to help themselves up. They need a push. What's the easiest way to push?
That said, this approach doesn't really cater to those at the higher end of the spectrum. School system in general won't care about them as much, since they aren't the ones they can squeeze the most points out of. But even then, that's alright, because most of the time the ones that are already up there don't need a whole lot of prompting.
For my part, I think high school became about 3000% more bearable with a bunch of AP courses.
ImVindictive Wrote:You people don't even begin to know how broken the system is. Let's look at elementary school. You are by law to attend, from 8-4pm (a job). You get homework assignments that reiterate what you learned in class. Now this is where it gets broken. Homework is nearly 35% of your grade period. This goes through honestly high school. If you don't know how to do it in class most likely you won't be able to do it at home especially when the 'example' is like 2+2=4 and the problem you are trying to solve has fractions with curly q's and banana peel rammed up the equal signs ass.
I don't know about other schools but here we have to be in class at 7:17 sitting on our asses. Late? Detention, Late again? Suspension. This is a public school and believe me they stick to it. You get 4 blocks, each about 90 minutes long of unbearable monkey classwork. Then you go home with about 3 hours of total homework (Not like you need a nap when you get out of that mind numbing prison or anything) just to repeat the next day with the Group B cycle of teachers.
The teachers are underpaid, overworked and really see's most kids as someone whos going to cause trouble. See what they teach in teachers school(LOL) is that if a kid misses an assignment, messes up a test, or what have you, theres no room for negotiating, you werent prepared you fail, thus life has the same concept. Well, being out of school for about a year with a state job I can say it is not the same. They give you this false sense of "end of the world" if you don't fullfill your obligations, which honestly sometimes you have to cut thigns to make up others.
Also I'm paying for a frekin class to learn, not get a teachers opinion, a book slammed in my face to teach myself the other 75% of the lesson. You want to know something pineappled up? My father can't use me as a tax break for being a dependent with low income yet the government can use his income against me for student loans/grants. Not only that but you're asking for a 5k loan and end up paying 10k back off. It's a two tier system, you either got it or you don't. Oh you want to have a decent education so you can progress farther in life? Oh that doesn't matter; do you have the money to pay or not.
The school system needs a revamp, end of story. That's just in annapolis maryland though, I don't know about other states.
1) Make school like a job. Classwork/tests=everything. Homework for students who have less than a C in the class as they obviously don't understand the material. Homework is to make students practice at home. The problem is teachers focus primarily on homework and tests, the tests based off the homework assignments rather than the classwork and the lectures.
2) Higher pay for teachers (I know it sounds silly considering the crisis were in right now). But yes I believe teachers deserve a larger pay, they work at home and at school nearly 17/24 hours a day for nearly a 1/8th of what my dad makes. The sad part? I'm comparing college professor pay.
3) If homework needs to be applied then make it so that teachers have an understanding of the proportion they are giving out. School is like a job without the pay, but teachers seem to be less organized and don't work as a group but feel their class is greater than any other class. It's their dormain yada yada. I remember in middle school when I was given 6 projects to do with only about 4 days to do them in, in our excelerated curricumlum at least. Do able but cmon, you really expect a 11 year old to push that hard?
4) Buses should not be running the school schedule. I'm sorry but putting a teenager on a 7am-2pm schedule is ridiculous, hell even my current job is 9-5, 1 hour lunch break (paid) and two 15 minute breaks. I mean the schools need to be more lenient, its not a frekin prison. They need to stop forcing education and trying to teach kids who don't want to be taught, he disrupts and causes trouble and nothing but trouble. Hell my school didn't even have windows.
Anyway I could come up with a more organized version with a lil more thought into it, but I'm at work so I don't have access to my notes on the subject
2009-09-01, 12:07 PM (This post was last modified: 2009-09-01, 12:10 PM by Zzyncookie.)
Learning at school CAN be fun, this mostly depends on the teacher/subject you're doing. I think students should be able to pick the courses they want to follow earlier. Here in The Netherlands, students can make some adjustments in their course packet in the 10th grade, although loads of subjects are mandatory.
For example, I chose Geography, Economics and Management&organisation. I enjoy these subjects, but I am also stuck with subjects like: Art, History, German and Physics. Subjects I couldn't care less about, subjects I hate.
My grades are also significantly higher on the subjects I like.
Having a good teacher helps too, at a teacher that is compassionate for his job/subject, I notice that I get way higher grades then at teachers that ''Are just there because they couldn't get any other job'' or '' I know what I'm talking about, I just don't know how to explain it to you''.
(Sadly we have to many of these teachers.)
A teacher who knows when to give homework is nice too. Why give homework to people who totally understand the material the teacher explained? It's just an unneeded drag for students.(Good) Teachers know who have trouble with the subject and they can give them homework/practice assignments accordingly.
I think teachers should have a higher income, because teachers are important, and teachers are needed to make good, smart students.
Teachers should also be filtered out in some way. Dump the bad ones, and attract new (good) teachers with high incomes.
Ofcourse how well you do at school also comes from yourself. But this speaks for itself. If you just come to school to rebel, and distract other children who DO want to study and gain knowledge, get the hell out.
Zzyncookie Wrote:Learning at school CAN be fun, this mostly depends on the teacher/subject you're doing. I think students should be able to pick the courses they want to follow earlier. Here in The Netherlands, students can make some adjustments in their course packet in the 10th grade, although loads of subjects are mandatory.
For example, I chose Geography, Economics and Management&organisation. I enjoy these subjects, but I am also stuck with subjects like: Art, History, German and Physics. Subjects I couldn't care less about, subjects I hate.
My grades are also significantly higher on the subjects I like.
Having a good teacher helps too, at a teacher that is compassionate for his job/subject, I notice that I get way higher grades then at teachers that ''Are just there because they couldn't get any other job'' or '' I know what I'm talking about, I just don't know how to explain it to you''.
(Sadly we have to many of these teachers.)
A teacher who knows when to give homework is nice too. Why give homework to people who totally understand the material the teacher explained? It's just an unneeded drag for students.(Good) Teachers know who have trouble with the subject and they can give them homework/practice assignments accordingly.
I think teachers should have a higher income, because teachers are important, and teachers are needed to make good, smart students.
Teachers should also be filtered out in some way. Dump the bad ones, and attract new (good) teachers with high incomes.
Ofcourse how well you do at school also comes from yourself. But this speaks for itself. If you just come to school to rebel, and distract other children who DO want to study and gain knowledge, get the hell out.
My opinion as a 16 year old 11th grader.
heh you reitterated the same thing I did essentially. What makes it amazing is the same opinion is shared from two students in two different countries.
ImVindictive Wrote:2) Higher pay for teachers (I know it sounds silly considering the crisis were in right now). But yes I believe teachers deserve a larger pay, they work at home and at school nearly 17/24 hours a day for nearly a 1/8th of what my dad makes. The sad part? I'm comparing college professor pay.
I would kill for your dad's job.
Seriously though, I think teachers have a low pay partly because of the teachers' union. My sister was a TA at McGill University as part of her Phd program, and she had to sign a contract with the TA union there that said that she could not TA or prepare for TAing for more than a certain amount of time. (wtp :f6. I'm not sure if the teachers' union has this policy, but if they do, then it limits the effectiveness of good teachers because they can't prepare for classes while keeping the bad ones on board because they can get away with perform at the minimum standard. Hell, the union gets pissy wissy when a teacher gets fired for a completely legitimate reason.
So my solution would be to get rid of the teachers' union and rework the pay structure for teachers. If they do well, increase their pay. If they're pomegranatety teachers, then dock their pay or fire them. There's enough teachers looking for work and struggling to make a living, and many of them may very well be excellent teachers, so why can't they replace the ones who aren't qualified and should pursue another field of work?
zergpower314 Wrote:I would kill for your dad's job.
Seriously though, I think teachers have a low pay partly because of the teachers' union. My sister was a TA at McGill University as part of her Phd program, and she had to sign a contract with the TA union there that said that she could not TA or prepare for TAing for more than a certain amount of time. (wtp :f6. I'm not sure if the teachers' union has this policy, but if they do, then it limits the effectiveness of good teachers because they can't prepare for classes while keeping the bad ones on board because they can get away with perform at the minimum standard. Hell, the union gets pissy wissy when a teacher gets fired for a completely legitimate reason.
So my solution would be to get rid of the teachers' union and rework the pay structure for teachers. If they do well, increase their pay. If they're pomegranatety teachers, then dock their pay or fire them. There's enough teachers looking for work and struggling to make a living, and many of them may very well be excellent teachers, so why can't they replace the ones who aren't qualified and should pursue another field of work?
lol my dads a GS14 and represents spectrum management branch of National defense at Nato :x. I get to go to europe 3x a year for free
Ey I'll ask my mom about that, she was a professor at College park University a decade ago lol. But the amount of work teachers have to deal with isn't even a fraction of what pay they are owed.
ImVindictive Wrote:1) Make school like a job. Classwork/tests=everything. Homework for students who have less than a C in the class as they obviously don't understand the material. Homework is to make students practice at home. The problem is teachers focus primarily on homework and tests, the tests based off the homework assignments rather than the classwork and the lectures.
Agreed.
2) Higher pay for teachers (I know it sounds silly considering the crisis were in right now). But yes I believe teachers deserve a larger pay, they work at home and at school nearly 17/24 hours a day for nearly a 1/8th of what my dad makes. The sad part? I'm comparing college professor pay.
Teachers don't need higher pay. Seriously, they don't. They get great benefits. Great hours. Consistency. Tenure. Great vacation time. Also, after you've been teaching for a few years your income is great. Sure, starting teaching with a bachelor's degree isn't really getting you all the luxuries, but it's getting you through life. I hear countless teachers (including my dad) say that teacher's have it made and that they should stop bitching that their job pays too little.
3) If homework needs to be applied then make it so that teachers have an understanding of the proportion they are giving out. School is like a job without the pay, but teachers seem to be less organized and don't work as a group but feel their class is greater than any other class. It's their dormain yada yada. I remember in middle school when I was given 6 projects to do with only about 4 days to do them in, in our excelerated curricumlum at least. Do able but cmon, you really expect a 11 year old to push that hard?
Agreed.
4) Buses should not be running the school schedule. I'm sorry but putting a teenager on a 7am-2pm schedule is ridiculous, hell even my current job is 9-5, 1 hour lunch break (paid) and two 15 minute breaks. I mean the schools need to be more lenient, its not a frekin prison. They need to stop forcing education and trying to teach kids who don't want to be taught, he disrupts and causes trouble and nothing but trouble. Hell my school didn't even have windows.
It gets you used to a schedule and it also gives you time after school to do things. I'm sure that if you were in sports or something then you wouldn't want to start practice close to dusk and then getting home and eating dinner at a later time. And I don't know about you guys, but I hate the school breaks. I am at school to learn and that's what I want happening. I don't care that "Danny got so wasted and threw up all over the floor at Sue's party this weekend." But I have to listen to it anyways so I still have a decent social status in school. If we just had less breaks then it would be a win-win (except for all those other kids who like to talk about idiots doing idiotic things).
Anyway I could come up with a more organized version with a lil more thought into it, but I'm at work so I don't have access to my notes on the subject
2009-09-02, 11:33 AM (This post was last modified: 2009-09-02, 11:39 AM by KhainiWest.)
TehMatt Wrote:Commented in bold.
I guess I did an unfair comparison however, I ment to say that even college professors who still have to go to school all their life to keep up to date extremely lack the pay my dad makes just with a bachlores degree.
What I mean to say is most teachers, primarily middle/ele have to work two jobs in order to make ends meat. I mean my mother was a teacher, she quit because it just wasn't a fair ratio from work=pay. She'd work with students 8 hours, come home and plan the next week for 4 hours. A teachers life is hard because if you aren't planning you're grading.
However I'm not trying to argue that your opinion is wrong, they do get the things you mentioned which some people may find a fair trade, but I don't agree they get enough pay for some of the crap they have to put up with. Such as students who feel like making drama.
Sorry just noticed the bus thing:
Again I missed a crucial point. The schedule I feel conflicts with the natural teenage sleep schedule. Yes we have to get used to it but, in my county at least, the transisition from 9:17-3:55, was utterly destructive. You do that for 4 years then they make you get up earlier, considering school started 2 hours earlier lol. I just feel like they need a schedule that accomodates the natural teen schedule (Hell most teens don't fully wake up until 10am) rather than an adults. What I also hated about middle/ele is by the time you got home the sun was setting rofl.
[COLOR="Green"]In my opinion, I feel that this is what is good in terms of school.
1. Treating students as if they are people, not just 5 year old who need to have stuff given to them. When teachers both joke around with students but also be hard asses about things like doing work and making sure everyone does things, that's good. Kids need to have a factor where the teacher is supposed to be respected, but is also able to be thought of as a "fun" guy, and not just pushes students over and over.
2. Allowing kids to get more sleep. I understand completely that after-school activities getting out in the dark would be bad, especially for sports, but getting up at 5:30 every day can be very counterproductive, especially if the work is difficult. And this is coming from someone who fell asleep in Spanish II (First Period) at least 20 times last year, and still managed to get a B.
That's really all I can think of atm. I actually really like school, both as a social and learning experience. I'll gladly enjoy any criticism.[/COLOR]
Most of my teachers give out an entire calendar listing all of the homeworks, tests, and quizzes for the entire semester on the first day of classes. And then the same for the second semester. This works really well for me basically tells me how I need to budget my time in order to be fully prepared for the upcoming tests. They also make homework worth like an fifth of your entire grade, so in order to actually get an A, you NEED to do your homework. No extra credit is given because extra credit is just stupid. My one history teacher in 10th grade didn't count homeworks for anything and had 15 points of extra credit on every test. It was obscene. People who would normally fail a history class were passing with 100s.
Also, it helps that the majority of teachers at my school love their job and make sitting in a class for 47 minutes awesome. :]
ImVindictive Wrote:I guess I did an unfair comparison however, I ment to say that even college professors who still have to go to school all their life to keep up to date extremely lack the pay my dad makes just with a bachlores degree.
What I mean to say is most teachers, primarily middle/ele have to work two jobs in order to make ends meat. I mean my mother was a teacher, she quit because it just wasn't a fair ratio from work=pay. She'd work with students 8 hours, come home and plan the next week for 4 hours. A teachers life is hard because if you aren't planning you're grading.
However I'm not trying to argue that your opinion is wrong, they do get the things you mentioned which some people may find a fair trade, but I don't agree they get enough pay for some of the crap they have to put up with. Such as students who feel like making drama.
Sorry just noticed the bus thing:
Again I missed a crucial point. The schedule I feel conflicts with the natural teenage sleep schedule. Yes we have to get used to it but, in my county at least, the transisition from 9:17-3:55, was utterly destructive. You do that for 4 years then they make you get up earlier, considering school started 2 hours earlier lol. I just feel like they need a schedule that accomodates the natural teen schedule (Hell most teens don't fully wake up until 10am) rather than an adults. What I also hated about middle/ele is by the time you got home the sun was setting rofl.
I can understand if you make such an extreme change. Our schools here all start at about the same time, though. Elementary started at 8:35, Middle started at 7:45, and high school starts at 8 unless you decide that you want to start school at 7, but that isn't a requirement.
TehMatt Wrote:I can understand if you make such an extreme change. Our schools here all start at about the same time, though. Elementary started at 8:35, Middle started at 7:45, and high school starts at 8 unless you decide that you want to start school at 7, but that isn't a requirement.
It also changes depending on how far away from the schools you are. I live as far as you possibly can almost, so I have to get up at 5:30 in order to be able to get washed and eat before hopping on the bus. And school starts at around 7:15.
DualReaver Wrote:It also changes depending on how far away from the schools you are. I live as far as you possibly can almost, so I have to get up at 5:30 in order to be able to get washed and eat before hopping on the bus. And school starts at around 7:15.
I get up at 5:10 to get to school at 7 (I do this so I can get out at 12). I feel your pain.
. I'm not sure if the teachers' union has this policy, but if they do, then it limits the effectiveness of good teachers because they can't prepare for classes while keeping the bad ones on board because they can get away with perform at the minimum standard. Hell, the union gets pissy wissy when a teacher gets fired for a completely legitimate reason.
