Creationism vs Evolution

I thought our sun wasn't the type that explodes. It simply just burns out...

Just throwing that out there.

Haha, what? You're using our middled aged sun as proof that god can't exist? Do you realize how giant 5 billion years is? Our species has been around for 65,000! 5 billion years is nearly 100,000 times that! By bthe time the sun explodes we'll probably either be extinct already or be on other planets.

And if you're using the proof that things aren't perfect, you're right. Humans have this problem of dying, having to eat and sleep, drink water, breaking limbs, getting sick, all that stuff. If you want to argue God doesn't exist because there's no proof of him, that's vaild. But don't use imperfection as one

And yeah, close this thread. I'm already flaming a bit

The first modern human skeleton was dated back to 3 million years ago.


@Above Poster: Nope, our sun is the type that goes boom.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/astronomy/faq/p...ion-9.html
Won't go boom.

And at any rate, civilization as we know it has only been around extremely recently.

I thought our sun wasn't the type that explodes. It simply just burns out...

It doesn't have to explode to crisp every living thing on the planet... even the small increase to 373K (water boiling) would be enough. If the sun doubles its output, we're there. If the greenhouse effect continues its current trend, we're there (and it's not a steady slope of 0.4 degrees per decade - you hit a critical point and blammo, positive feedback leads to massive increase).



I don't see that creationism even has a place to stand compared to evolution. Creationism is not a theory, it's not scientific, and it doesn't explain anything.

Just a lot of words.

The first modern human skeleton was dated back to 3 million years ago.


@Above Poster: Nope, our sun is the type that goes boom.

Was it a Homo Sapien skeleton or just some other Homo- skeleton? If Homo Sapien, good to know :o

And our sun isn't the kind to go boom. However, it will expand to a much larger size as it becomes a red giant, and the increased heat will kill everything on the planet.

And what's ironic is when the sun expands it'll also cool at the same time

Was it a Homo Sapien skeleton or just some other Homo- skeleton? If Homo Sapien, good to know :o

And our sun isn't the kind to go boom. However, it will expand to a much larger size as it becomes a red giant, and the increased heat will kill everything on the planet.

And what's ironic is when the sun expands it'll also cool at the same time

Right. The sun won't go boom. It's gonna eat us alive instead.

-Rather long intellectual statement (that I read all of, mind you.)

The argument is perpetual; no one is ever going to conform to the idea that our genesis is completely unknown and will never be provable.

We as humans live for the excitement of a heated debate, which is why this topic exists.

No matter how much we attack eachother's beliefs, it only leads to more anger and frustration.

And honestly I wouldn't give a pineapple how we came into existence it's utterly trivial. Medicinal science is much more crucial to our lives.

/leaves topic

Oy, I suggest this thread be closed too, but, I do have to say this: Creationism, Evolution, The Big Bang...Does it really even matter. IF (please note the if) God created the universe, it'd be through the Big Bang (Yes, I just fused religion with science). Evolution is a natural process. If it's divine, or not divine, who cares. According to my religion, Catholicism, God created "life" so that he could show his love for us, and us for him. Maybe evolution was part of God's plan. The only way for us to find out what is right and what isn't is for us to die. Then we'll know the truth. Faith or science or whatever there's an answer.

P.S. I'm not a creationist or evolutionist. i'm something in between.

The argument is perpetual; no one is ever going to conform to the idea that our genesis is completely unknown and will never be provable.

That's the thing.. abiogenesis is a completely different thing from evolution, and I have no idea why it is always brought up. Evolution theory doesn't attempt to explain how the first organisms were created, just what has happened since then.

That's the thing.. abiogenesis is a completely different thing from evolution, and I have no idea why it is always brought up. Evolution theory doesn't attempt to explain how the first organisms were created, just what has happened since then.

Amen.
Yay Buddha 8r

This thread gets created over and over again because somehow it's seen as an intelligent conversation. All it does is pit science-wannabees against biblically ignorant Judeo-Christian socialites against each other. It truly attracts the most idiotic and asinine comments that convince no one to change their belief system.

This is true. However, you are revealed to be an utter, absolute fool by the remainder of your statement, which isn't precisely ironic, but it is funny. Nobody with actual knowledge is claiming we understand absolutely everything about the entirety of human origin and it is all a clear, perfect map shown by the fossil record. What people who argue for evolution are stating is that it is, quite simply, the best theory we have. It does not conflict with what has been found; it accurately predicted a number of things we have found, and it's been proven to be reliable in many dozens of circumstances.

Furthermore, the idea that intelligent design is science is stupid at best and malicious at worst. Intelligent design is a philosophy; there is no way to scientifically prove that we were designed by someone.

On a secondary note, people who argue about statistical impossibilities, irreducible complexity, separate 'micro' and 'macro' evolution and other related intelligent-design arguments quite simply do not understand anything they are talking about. It would be a more worthy use of my time to learn to speak Sanskrit than to convince anyone that deluded of anything that is remotely accurate.

This is true. However, you are revealed to be an utter, absolute fool by the remainder of your statement, which isn't precisely ironic, but it is funny. Nobody with actual knowledge is claiming we understand absolutely everything about the entirety of human origin and it is all a clear, perfect map shown by the fossil record. What people who argue for evolution are stating is that it is, quite simply, the best theory we have. It does not conflict with what has been found; it accurately predicted a number of things we have found, and it's been proven to be reliable in many dozens of circumstances.

Furthermore, the idea that intelligent design is science is stupid at best and malicious at worst. Intelligent design is a philosophy; there is no way to scientifically prove that we were designed by someone.

On a secondary note, people who argue about statistical impossibilities, irreducible complexity, separate 'micro' and 'macro' evolution and other related intelligent-design arguments quite simply do not understand anything they are talking about. It would be a more worthy use of my time to learn to speak Sanskrit than to convince anyone that deluded of anything that is remotely accurate.

I'll post something factual here after class.

Quick question to you.

Am I worth it?

Nothing you say will make me change my mind, and the only people you will sway with your incredibly long-winded and boring opinion will be those who are easily swayed by Jehovah's Witnesses and will probably end up Scientologists by age 35.

Hell, I probably won't even read what you say. I think when you say it I'll just pick one paragraph or three sentences of it at random, and read only those. Then I'll go do other things.

Think about it for a minute before you expend any effort.

Quick question to you.

Am I worth it?

Nothing you say will make me change my mind, and the only people you will sway with your incredibly long-winded and boring opinion will be those who are easily swayed by Jehovah's Witnesses and will probably end up Scientologists by age 35.

Hell, I probably won't even read what you say. I think when you say it I'll just pick one paragraph or three sentences of it at random, and read only those. Then I'll go do other things.

Think about it for a minute before you expend any effort.

If you're not going to read what other people say, then leave the topic. It is assumed in an intelligent conversation, as this board denotes, that people will listen and respect another's opinion because that's what intelligent people do. If you cannot do that, then leave the topic and do not cause harm here.

If you're not going to read what other people say, then leave the topic. It is assumed in an intelligent conversation, as this board denotes, that people will listen and respect another's opinion because that's what intelligent people do. If you cannot do that, then leave the topic and do not cause harm here.

I disagree; in none of the topics I have ever read or participated in on this intelligent discussion board has anyone ever changed their minds substantially, and I haven't really seen anyone respecting anyone else's opinion unless they themselves are without one.

I think that's essentially the nature of online discussions, sadly. It has nothing in particular to do with me or this discussion.

I disagree; in none of the topics I have ever read or participated in on this intelligent discussion board has anyone ever changed their minds substantially, and I haven't really seen anyone respecting anyone else's opinion unless they themselves are without one.

I think that's essentially the nature of online discussions, sadly. It has nothing in particular to do with me or this discussion.

That is not the point...
The point is someone somewhere is wrong on the internet and we need to show the we are right.
And we are MIGHTY!
And the best way to show others you are right is with wiki links and vicious personal attacks. And straw dummies- don't forget teh straw dummies.

If you're not going to read what other people say, then leave the topic. It is assumed in an intelligent conversation, as this board denotes, that people will listen and respect another's opinion because that's what intelligent people do. If you cannot do that, then leave the topic and do not cause harm here.

I don't have to read all of a post to know someone's just wasting my time Azalea's posts are reminiscent of that argument generator. No opinion present, just a lot of words.

I am a person who firmly believes in God, though I hardly qualify as "religious."

Creationism appears to be an attempt to bring religion into classrooms. Evolution is a very well-accepted scientific process which explains the progress of life on Earth.

To say that evolution is "atheist" misses the point. A lot of scientists believe in God. I don't really get why religious people would have problems saying the process of evolution was created and put in motion by God. But in schools, that is not really the point. Public schools aren't supposed to be teaching religion because the country of America is not supposed to have a single religion. There's already a large controversy over whether the Pledge of Allegiance violates separation church and state, but creationism is a bit more than saying one country under God. Religious leaders can add to or modify the stuff taught in public schools, but our schools are not supposed to teach any single religious doctrine. Creationism is just that.