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Creationism vs Evolution - NoWaizMatt - 2009-04-09
So, in school today, I was talking with some friends. One decided to bring up the topic of creationism. I said, "I don't believe in that. Evolution is proven and it exists." Soon enough, I've got my whole group of friends yelling at me believing that I have the "wrong belief," and that theirs is real and backed by scientific evidence. It was making me mad when even my Science teacher said they believed in creationsim.
So, where do you stand on this matter?
Creationism vs Evolution - loddlaen - 2009-04-09
Creationism = LOL to me
Most creationism arguments usually have massive flaws in there that require "divine intervention" to gloss over. That doesn't mean I follow evolution blindly, but the scientific process behind evolution gives it far far more substance than creationism.
Things like the creationist argument behind Noahs ark or the time differences between the biblical age of the Earth and the scientific age, are often put forward by people who are specialists in one particular field. They don't realise that while what they "claim" might work scientifically in their field it doesn't work so well in other fields.
For example, I've seen it posted that fossils were created during the great flood, hence the fact you find sea creature fossils on top of mountains. For fast fossilation, you would require the ocean to undergo immense pressure and heat. Such immense pressure that Noahs poor ark would not be able to float on the ocean. Hence the need for God to intervene to keep the Ark from spontaneously combusting.
Creationism vs Evolution - Melancholy - 2009-04-09
Most people don't realise it's possible for some sort of Creation + Evolution + A Big Bang.
;_;
I think at one point in time it's possible some sort of incomprehensible power may have created some cell (or more), but that's just because Science hasn't advanced far enough for me to have a logical reason yet. lol
Matter had to be created at some point in time, otherwise we wouldn't have it. I'm not saying it was Jesus or a god, but it is quite a mystery!
Creationism vs Evolution - loddlaen - 2009-04-09
Melancholy Wrote:Most people don't realise it's possible for some sort of Creation + Evolution + A Big Bang.
That's different from Creationism (in certain situations). Most creationism goes further into trying to prove everything that happened in the bible "scientifically".
Creationism vs Evolution - Melancholy - 2009-04-10
loddlaen Wrote:That's different from Creationism (in certain situations). Most creationism goes further into trying to prove everything that happened in the bible "scientifically".
Oh.
That idea is bullpomegranate. lol
It's too simple and has no proof, evidence, or any logical reason.
Creationism vs Evolution - Moonlapse - 2009-04-10
*bio major jumps in*
I consider myself a theist in that I beleive the universe was created by a supreme sentient being. However I would not consider myself a "creationist" per se; because I do beleive our understanding of the fossil record is accurate, and that life developed by some sort of evolutionary process. However I do beleive our understanding of evolution is incomplete.
Creationism vs Evolution - Russt - 2009-04-10
Biology (and this is only high school biology mind you) is actually what made me start to doubt evolution. It just seems like even the most basic cell is far too complicated a system to just happen, even in degrees.
Not that I have a better theory.
Creationism vs Evolution - Thunda - 2009-04-10
And the first bacteria came from... a confluence of amino acids that spontaneously formed from spontaneous proteins!
Not that creation is better, but evolution still have a few holes it needs to plug in.
Creationism vs Evolution - Tir - 2009-04-10
Last time I checked, evolution has not yet been proven. At least, macroevolution, which is what you're probably talking about. I don't think anyone has a problem with microevolution.
Creationism vs Evolution - Dusk - 2009-04-10
Tir Wrote:Last time I checked, evolution has not yet been proven. At least, macroevolution, which is what you're probably talking about. I don't think anyone has a problem with microevolution.
This. I'm not a blind "God created the world in seven days and it's only 6 thousand years old" type of person but there isn't enough scientific evidence backing the random spontaneous generation of the world for me to drop my beliefs and say there is no God. Macroevolution still relies on a ton of unexplained mechanisms that aren't any better than any other theory on how we got here.
I try to see every major religion as having some truth to it. The lasting power of religion throughout human existence just makes it hard to completely doubt.
Creationism vs Evolution - Kabanaw - 2009-04-10
Thinking God made the world in 6 days is just stupid. Not to say I don't believe in God, which I do.
When you look at how mind boggingly complex the human body is, it's hard to think that we evolved like this completely by random chance. I think that God led a sort of guiding hand in our evolution. Even over 4.6 billion years it's hard to think that something this complex could evolve.
A great movie about this is Inherit the Wind. It's about the 1930's "Monkey Trial" Where a school teacher was convicted for teaching evolution in school. Of course, it's exaggerated in the movie, where in real life a substitute just read what was in the book.
In the end one of the lawyers looks at the Bible and On THe Origins of Species and puts them both together into his briefcase.
Creationism vs Evolution - Rob - 2009-04-10
I just have to let this go...
do we need to start arguing over God and Science again?
Creationism vs Evolution - DarkGenzo - 2009-04-10
I, myself, believe in evolution. Though I never think about evolution or creationism much, it is very interesting to see some of you believe that both a divine power *and* science were used to create what we have and all are now. I never really thought of it that way, and it seems like a very plausible theory.
Now I'm going to be thinking about this all day at work...
Creationism vs Evolution - Mark - 2009-04-10
No such thing as a big magical man in the sky. Same goes for Santa.
/thread.
Creationism vs Evolution - Devil - 2009-04-10
For all the creationists here:
If you still think god created the universe / solar system / life on earth, think again...
If god really created "our" sun, he was on a frickin failboat when he did!
He made our sun in a way that it will BURN the whole frickin earth we live on in 5 billion years! And if we're a bit unlucky with our calculations it will even explode into a supernova and shred the earth to pieces!
What is that for shietty creation crap! God wants to create hell on earth with his creation in 5 billion years? He even put living creatures on earth to feel them getting burned alive when that time comes? zOMG What an evil sadist is that! In 5 billion years God will be the most evil mass murderer in history! :X
Nah, if God exists, and if he would really be wise/perfect/etc he would have done a better job then creating our shietty sun the way it is now, a frickin timebomb that will anihilate earth with everything on it, 5 billion years from now...
lolGod... cc pl0x...haha :+)
Creationism vs Evolution - Berzerk - 2009-04-10
Science is pointing more towards evolution than creationism so I'll go with that. In no way, shape, or form have they proved that a big man in the sky exists, so I don't see myself believing it in.
Also, this thread has a high potential for flaming and will most likely get closed. We've had a topic like this before, it was closed.
Creationism vs Evolution - Melancholy - 2009-04-10
Devil Wrote:For all the creationists here:
If you still think god created the universe / solar system / life on earth, think again...
If god really created "our" sun, he was on a frickin failboat when he did!
He made our sun in a way that it will BURN the whole frickin earth we live on in 5 billion years! And if we're a bit unlucky with our calculations it will even explode into a supernova and shred the earth to pieces!
What is that for shietty creation crap! God wants to create hell on earth with his creation in 5 billion years? He even put living creatures on earth to feel them getting burned alive when that time comes? zOMG What an evil sadist is that! In 5 billion years God will be the most evil mass murderer in history! :X
Nah, if God exists, and if he would really be wise/perfect/etc he would have done a better job then creating our shietty sun the way it is now, a frickin timebomb that will anihilate earth with everything on it, 5 billion years from now...
lolGod... cc pl0x...haha :+)
If there is a higher power, I think he's playing the sims. Have you ever got bored in Roller Coaster Tycoon and drowned all the people and blocked the exits?
Creationism vs Evolution - Chompy - 2009-04-10
It should be closed too.
No one achieves anything-
Except creationists look like idiots
and Evolutionists look like dicks.
Immadickbtw
Creationism vs Evolution - ablu2 - 2009-04-10
Melancholy Wrote:If there is a higher power, I think he's playing the sims. Have you ever got bored in Roller Coaster Tycoon and drowned all the people and blocked the exits?
Me and my bro used to make an island with various stalls / rides and then put people on it. Kinda ruined the park rating when they wanted to leave though.
On topic: If god was so awesome and nice, he would do something to fix the earth. Im in kind of a half religion, I dont really care how we got here. Its over, but I think god has given up and made life somewhere else thats perfect.
More off topic: In the beginning, there was nothing. Then Chuck Norris round house kicked that nothing in the face and told it to get a job.
Creationism vs Evolution - Kabanaw - 2009-04-10
Devil Wrote:For all the creationists here:
If you still think god created the universe / solar system / life on earth, think again...
If god really created "our" sun, he was on a frickin failboat when he did!
He made our sun in a way that it will BURN the whole frickin earth we live on in 5 billion years! And if we're a bit unlucky with our calculations it will even explode into a supernova and shred the earth to pieces!
What is that for shietty creation crap! God wants to create hell on earth with his creation in 5 billion years? He even put living creatures on earth to feel them getting burned alive when that time comes? zOMG What an evil sadist is that! In 5 billion years God will be the most evil mass murderer in history! :X
Nah, if God exists, and if he would really be wise/perfect/etc he would have done a better job then creating our shietty sun the way it is now, a frickin timebomb that will anihilate earth with everything on it, 5 billion years from now...
lolGod... cc pl0x...haha :+)
Haha, what? You're using our middled aged sun as proof that god can't exist? Do you realize how giant 5 billion years is? Our species has been around for 65,000! 5 billion years is nearly 100,000 times that! By bthe time the sun explodes we'll probably either be extinct already or be on other planets.
And if you're using the proof that things aren't perfect, you're right. Humans have this problem of dying, having to eat and sleep, drink water, breaking limbs, getting sick, all that stuff. If you want to argue God doesn't exist because there's no proof of him, that's vaild. But don't use imperfection as one
And yeah, close this thread. I'm already flaming a bit