SaptaZapta Wrote:Did you read the Snopes rebuttal?
It disputes "what they were about do/had done".
Yes, and that's precisely why I didn't trust the article in the least. "those four people had only the most tenuous and indirect of connections to Hillary Clinton". That's the only line I needed to see, thought I looked through the rest of the article regardless to confirm that it was worthless.
edit: upon further reading, I don't mind admitting I was wrong about some portions of what I said. Shawn Lucas was indeed only a process server, not a lead attorney. Victor Thorn is still completely suspicious to me regardless of the article and the followups I read based on it. John Ashe I can't make a confirmation or denial on, there are things saying he was testifying on his own case of corruption and ones saying he was testifying against Clinton, I'm still looking for a link to a legitimate legal document not connected to news media for that one. edit2: yeah, this one I'm wrong on as well, Ashe was definitely not testifying against Clinton. edit3: I finally figured out where people are at least getting the misconception from, though it's a pretty big jump in logic; supposedly Ashe was going to be testifying against a certain Chinese billionaire (Ng Seng?), and people have in the past made connections between that billionaire and the Clinton Foundation (he is a large donor). Rich is impossible for me to see as coincidence, other than the fact that since he was out at 4AM for some reason and he wouldn't have been going directly to the FBI from there, he was still going to do so very soon after his death.
Based on this, I'm going through every one of the deaths to confirm whether or not they are legitimate or can be considered coincidence.
John Jones: most likely coincidence, nothing in his history would suggest that Hillary even knows about him
Michael Ratner: cancer
John Ashe: already stated incorrect
Molly Macauley: too far removed, while connected not anywhere near enough to warrant killing her given that there was no overt reason
Seth Rich: I'm sticking to this one
Joe Montano: Aide to Tim Kaine, killing him because he is an activist for things she supposedly stands for is ridiculous
John Rossi: connections exist, but the information all disappears at certain points so it's impossible to make any direct connection all the way through, which in itself is suspicious, but there's no proof that's strong enough to say why he would be murdered
Victor Thorn: he was enough of an annoyance to her to warrant being killed, he directly attacked her with his books
Shawn Lucas: barely connected, and not important enough to kill
Thus, the first infographic was almost entirely false, and I have removed it.
As to the second, though it's a pomegranateload of people to look up
James McDougal: died in solitary confinement while waiting for a Whitewater trial, partners with Hillary and Bill. Extremely likely.
Mary Mahoney: one of the girls who was just starting to go public as having been sexually harrassed by Bill. Unlikely, if only because by this point (1997) it would be more damaging to kill all of the girls coming forward than to just let them talk, but not impossible given that they may have seen her case as more damaging than others.
Vince Foster: worked with Hillary at Rose Law Firm when she was just starting out as a lawyer, EX, intimate knowledge of the Kathy Shelton case. Extremely likely.
Ron Brown: died in plane crash, found with circular wound in head which was subsequently ruled as "blunt trauma", a few days later the air traffic controller committed suicide. No survivors on plane. He was Sec of Commerce under Bill and was being investigated for financial issues, began making an ass of himself publicly to try to bring everyone else down instead of himself. 100% likely can't be assumed, but I'll at least say 99.999%.
Victor Raiser: outside of messing up badly which is not seen in what I can find, I don't think they would have killed him. Not very likely.
Paul Tulley: he knew a lot about voter turnout numbers and other information of the sort, so could potentially be a threat if voter fraud was attempted. Not very likely, but not impossible.
Ed Willey: husband to one of the women Bill sexually assaulted. Found dead of a gunshot wound to the head in a forested area, ruled a suicide. No previous suicidal tendencies. Pretty likely.
Jerry Parks: head of a Clinton security team, was gathering evidence of some sort against Bill, killed by gunshot. Files were all removed from his home. Even more likely than Ron Brown.
James Bunch: Not likely.
James Wilson: Not impossible, but not likely.
Kathy Ferguson: Likely, as a warning to her ex-husband to shut up, especially given the circumstances of her death.
Bill Shelton: Fiance' to Kathy Ferguson when she was killed, publicly denounced the "suicide", died of gunshot also ruled suicide. Also likely, and these two together make the set more likely as well.
Gandy Baugh: Not very likely.
Florence Martin: Doubtful.
Suzanne Coleman: Claimed to be pregnant with Bill's child. Gunshot wound to the back of the head ruled suicide? LOL. No autopsy performed. Pretty pineappleing likely.
Paula Grober: no reason I can see for this one to even be on here.
Danny Casolaro: might have just killed himself out of disgust for the people he was investigating. Unlikely, but...
Paul Wilcher: doing investigation with Danny Casolaro. Also found dead. Still unlikely, there's no real connection to the Clintons.
Jon Walker: Whitewater investigator. That alone makes it pretty likely.
Barbara Wise: no reason other than connections to people who I consider to have been almost definitely killed. Unlikely.
Charles Meissner: died with Ron Brown. Probably circumstantial, though maybe put in the same place to kill two birds with one stone.
Stanley Heard: why kill the family doctor?
Barry Seal: while definitely an assassination, it may not have been the Clinton's since he was a drug runner and had likely pissed off a ton of other people too.
Johnny Lawhome: the damage was already done, there was no reason for them to have wanted to kill him unless out of spite.
Stanley Huggins: Likely, if only because his report was never published. If it had been, I would have said not likely at all.
Herschel Friday: Pretty close to impossible, there was bad weather at the time so there's no reason to assume it was on purpose even if there was a reason.
Ives and Henry: Murdered, then placed on train tracks and run over by a train. 7 people in the following 2 years also died who were related to this case before they could testify, some were unlikely to be murders but others were both very brutally murdered and the fact OF those murders was hidden in a few cases, such as Milan, who died of natural causes to decapitation LOL. Stabbed 113 times, shot mutilated and burned, decapitated, this entire case had to have hit on something important, but the question is if it was the drug cartels that did it or the Clintons, and it's probably more likely that it was the drug cartels.
Overall I don't feel that the second one needs to be removed, because a good portion of them are well-founded arguments that hold up even by researching outside of the document/random infographics.
