Energy Drain

Fixed.

Eh, well DU + Backspin + Stun Mastery + SE can outdamage it pretty badly.

How does a skill that hits for 265% outdamage anything, regardless of how fast it might be? o_O

Eh, well DU + Backspin + Stun Mastery + SE can outdamage it pretty badly.

Won't you not have decent stun mastery until like late 9x/10x though?

How does a skill that hits for 265% outdamage anything, regardless of how fast it might be? o_O

... ok, so lets do a non-pirate hypothetical. Hell, non maple hypothetical. If i hit something for 100 damage 10 times, and you hit it for 300 twice in the same time, who dealt more damage?

If you can hit 3 times in the amount of time it takes someone to hit once, then it is comparing 795%(265% * 3) damage. Its the reason why Heroes use Red Katana's instead of higher atk 1h swords. More hits > More damage per hit, a lot of the time.

Won't you not have decent stun mastery until like late 9x/10x though?

Doesn't make what I stated untrue.

Eh, well DU + Backspin + Stun Mastery + SE can outdamage it pretty badly.

But we don't get Sharp Eyes in 2nd or 3rd job. Wish I did, though. ._.

Even without SE, I'm pretty sure it can surpass it barely...

Which reminds me...

... ok, so lets do a non-pirate hypothetical. Hell, non maple hypothetical. If i hit something for 100 damage 10 times, and you hit it for 300 twice in the same time, who dealt more damage?

If you can hit 3 times in the amount of time it takes someone to hit once, then it is comparing 795%(265% * 3) damage. Its the reason why Heroes use Red Katana's instead of higher atk 1h swords. More hits > More damage per hit, a lot of the time.

Okay, but Drain isn't 3 times faster than any skill. At best it's 1.5 times the speed of a Hermit using L7.

Drain is at least 4 times faster than Barrage, for one.

Drain is at least 4 times faster than Barrage, for one.

I was comparing it to the typical attack speed for most classes, somewhere between 600ms and 1 second.

Oh. By 'you' in that sentence I meant you as a Brawler.

Drain is at least 4 times faster than Barrage, for one.

is it like this in terms of math

Energy Drain:
360% * 4 = 1440%

Barrage (w/o critical):
100% + 100% + 100% + 100% + 200% + 400% = 1000%

i suck at this >_>

Barrage:
230% * 10 = 2300%

Barrage counts as 10 hits because the 5th is doubled and the 6th doubled again.

Oh. By 'you' in that sentence I meant you as a Brawler.

Ah, okay. I was a bit confused, I thought you were claiming that Marauders outdamage every other class in 3rd job on one target with one point in Drain.

im thinking about of doing the energy drain build but my only question is, will i regret not maxing out shockwave later on? If theres not a big regret ill max energy drain

Well my question is, if I do go with the energy build, what should I do about stun mastery and drain? What should I do first or what order should I go in because I was planning on going stun mastery+2 and EC+1 every level until stun mastery was maxed. Then I was going to finish the energy build. Any suggestions on what I should do after EC is maxed or if it shouldnt be maxed before drain? So confused xd....

im thinking about of doing the energy drain build but my only question is, will i regret not maxing out shockwave later on? If theres not a big regret ill max energy drain

I regret maxing shockwave instead of energy drain. Odds are you won't really care about shockwave much in 4th.

Well my question is, if I do go with the energy build, what should I do about stun mastery and drain? What should I do first or what order should I go in because I was planning on going stun mastery+2 and EC+1 every level until stun mastery was maxed. Then I was going to finish the energy build. Any suggestions on what I should do after EC is maxed or if it shouldnt be maxed before drain? So confused xd....

Typical energy build is something like:
Energy Charge +8/12/xx (to whatever level you're satisfied with, depending on your taste for charge time)
Energy Blast to 11

After this, add to each as you choose. If you want faster charge times and are satisfied with hitting 3 enemies, get more charge. If you want to hit 4 enemies rather than 3, then get blast to 21. Which path you choose depends on where you train for the most part. After you've decided which to go, and have max Charge and 21+ Blast (whether or not you max it at this point is again up to you), start adding into drain.

Theres room for flexibility, depending on your own tastes. Lv1 Drain will last quite a while, so I wouldn't put more than one point into it until both of your other energy moves are high enough. If you follow this build, you should put one point in blast and drain early on, so that charge is actually usable.

I regret maxing shockwave instead of energy drain. Odds are you won't really care about shockwave much in 4th.



Typical energy build is something like:
Energy Charge +8/12/xx (to whatever level you're satisfied with, depending on your taste for charge time)
Energy Blast to 11

After this, add to each as you choose. If you want faster charge times and are satisfied with hitting 3 enemies, get more charge. If you want to hit 4 enemies rather than 3, then get blast to 21. Which path you choose depends on where you train for the most part. After you've decided which to go, and have max Charge and 21+ Blast (whether or not you max it at this point is again up to you), start adding into drain.

Theres room for flexibility, depending on your own tastes. Lv1 Drain will last quite a while, so I wouldn't put more than one point into it until both of your other energy moves are high enough. If you follow this build, you should put one point in blast and drain early on, so that charge is actually usable.

Alright that helps me alot thanks . I just feel that stun should be implemented earlier but since I'm a bowman, I'm accustomed to high crits not this new kind of stun crits.

They only add 60% too, not quite as nice as 100%. You're only getting at most 2 chances per attack as well, instead of Strafe's 4. Stun mastery is definitely less noticeable than an archer's crit in terms of damage.

Stun won't look so great in third job since you're limited in terms of number of hits. It will really shine though in 4th job when your multi hit skills go into place.