KMST after-revamp DPM

I wanna thank you for the chart cause I think I didn't earlier, but can you check if demo is better than barrage?
Also, This is against 1 monster only right?, so heroes would be top against 3 monsters, and DKs wouldn't be far...

I wanna thank you for the chart cause I think I didn't earlier, but can you check if demo is better than barrage?
Also, This is against 1 monster only right?, so heroes would be top against 3 monsters, and DKs wouldn't be far...

The problem with Demo is that supertransform has cooldown right? Then I could try to give you an avg of Demo and Barrage, with the equal times I guess.... I'll post the results here.

Waitwhat... if Demo is 180 seconds... and cooldown is 20 secs... does that mean only 10 seconds per minute without superxform? Whoah.

And yes, it is against 1 monster.

The problem with Demo is that supertransform has cooldown right? Then I could try to give you an avg of Demo and Barrage, with the equal times I guess.... I'll post the results here.

And yes, it is against 1 monster.

You could give DPM for Demo and Barrage. "Bucc - Demo" and "Bucc - Barrage" in the finalized list. This would apply to other classes with multiple 'main' attacks like MMs and their Snipe.

The problem with Demo is that supertransform has cooldown right? Then I could try to give you an avg of Demo and Barrage, with the equal times I guess.... I'll post the results here.

Waitwhat... if Demo is 180 seconds... and cooldown is 20 secs... does that mean only 10 seconds per minute without superxform? Whoah.

And yes, it is against 1 monster.

It's actually 6.66666666666666 seconds without super transform per minute.

Straaaaaaaaange.....

Not including the 40 atk buff they get from superxform (will it be cancelled by apple or not? D=) they have 8.1m DPM with Demo/Barrage. With Barrage only, they have 11.6m D= That's MUCH!

You could give DPM for Demo and Barrage. "Bucc - Demo" and "Bucc - Barrage" in the finalized list. This would apply to other classes with multiple 'main' attacks like MMs and their Snipe.

Then what other attacks do you want to see in? Brandish for Heros? Both Big Bang and Angel Ray for bishops?

Give me a list and I'll work on it =D


Owhwait... There's maybe a major fault in the bucc part... For some reason I have Barrage's delay as 1030, and I can't remember where I got that from D= Can that ever be correct?

**At Dusk: I think DPM is more appropriate because it's quite easy for say the Marksmen to appear #1 on the DPS charts thanks to Snipe, while DPM shows a more stable look at where everyone is in the DPS race.

This sentence makes no sense at all. DPM = DPS x 60. You're just looking at 8 digit numbers when you could be looking at 6 digit numbers. The second is a better unit of measurement than the minute, anyway.

This sentence makes no sense at all. DPM = DPS x 60. You're just looking at 8 digit numbers when you could be looking at 6 digit numbers. The second is a better unit of measurement than the minute, anyway.

But does it matter in any way? It's nicer to look at, but instead of doing 17.5m DPM, its 293k DPS. Both 3 digits. And both evenly accuraty. Thus, it doesn't matter at all.

Edit: Oh with the 40 atk from superxform, they come alot closer, then Barrage+Demo is only 1.4m DPM lower...

how did lolaneers get that much damage? o_o

how did lolaneers get that much damage? o_o

I'm thinking I did something wrong with barrage's delay. Can someone confirm what the delay is now in KMST?

Wait so barrage is better than Demo? 0_O
Did you include a 25% reduction to all DPMs cause the important thing is in bosses, and Demo doesn't get that reduction while other skills do.

But does it matter in any way? It's nicer to look at, but instead of doing 17.5m DPM, its 293k DPS. Both 3 digits. And both evenly accuraty. Thus, it doesn't matter at all.

Edit: Oh with the 40 atk from superxform, they come alot closer, then Barrage+Demo is only 1.4m DPM lower...

I don't see 17.5m, I see 17,421,337. The fact that you have the abbreviate all your numbers only helps my point.

I didn't realize it was so easy to get people to take you seriously with misleading and inaccurate data. You don't know the skill delays, the equipment isn't balanced out (the Hero has a freaking clean sword), and most importantly, we don't know exactly how all the new skills and formulas work. This isn't even worth using as a preview of the new order of things. Speculative calculations are useless. I dunno if you were around back when Pirates were coming out, but Devil was making calculations to show that Buccaneers would be the strongest class, thanks to underestimating skill delays, massive oversimplification, and poor equipment choices. When they actually came out, we quickly found out that they were actually among the weakest classes. How many people funded the hell out of a Buccaneer and met disappointment? I'm not trying to shut you down because I have my own DPS spreadsheet, and I'm not just being an pimento for no reason. I would rather not have the weather than have the weatherman tell me it's going to be sunny and get hit with a thunderstorm. Wait until the research comes out. Otherwise, you're just going to have dumb complaints about how x class is overpowered or underpowered when in reality they're perfectly balanced.

I don't see 17.5m, I see 17,421,337. The fact that you have the abbreviate all your numbers only helps my point.

I didn't realize it was so easy to get people to take you seriously with misleading and inaccurate data. You don't know the skill delays, the equipment isn't balanced out (the Hero has a freaking clean sword), and most importantly, we don't know exactly how all the new skills and formulas work. This isn't even worth using as a preview of the new order of things. Speculative calculations are useless. I dunno if you were around back when Pirates were coming out, but Devil was making calculations to show that Buccaneers would be the strongest class, thanks to underestimating skill delays, massive oversimplification, and poor equipment choices. When they actually came out, we quickly found out that they were actually among the weakest classes. How many people funded the hell out of a Buccaneer and met disappointment? I'm not trying to shut you down because I have my own DPS spreadsheet, and I'm not just being an pimento for no reason. I would rather not have the weather than have the weatherman tell me it's going to be sunny and get hit with a thunderstorm. Wait until the research comes out. Otherwise, you're just going to have dumb complaints about how x class is overpowered or underpowered when in reality they're perfectly balanced.

Can You upload your sheet I wanna see how each class fairs out after

I don't see 17.5m, I see 17,421,337. The fact that you have the abbreviate all your numbers only helps my point.

I didn't realize it was so easy to get people to take you seriously with misleading and inaccurate data. You don't know the skill delays, the equipment isn't balanced out (the Hero has a freaking clean sword), and most importantly, we don't know exactly how all the new skills and formulas work. This isn't even worth using as a preview of the new order of things. Speculative calculations are useless. I dunno if you were around back when Pirates were coming out, but Devil was making calculations to show that Buccaneers would be the strongest class, thanks to underestimating skill delays, massive oversimplification, and poor equipment choices. When they actually came out, we quickly found out that they were actually among the weakest classes. How many people funded the hell out of a Buccaneer and met disappointment? I'm not trying to shut you down because I have my own DPS spreadsheet, and I'm not just being an pimento for no reason. I would rather not have the weather than have the weatherman tell me it's going to be sunny and get hit with a thunderstorm. Wait until the research comes out. Otherwise, you're just going to have dumb complaints about how x class is overpowered or underpowered when in reality they're perfectly balanced.

Then... Don't look at my Excel File, so you don't get this misleading info, so you will be well informed. Problem solved, everyone happy.

Can You upload your sheet I wanna see how each class fairs out after

I haven't made one for KMST yet. I'm not going to make one until the patch goes live in KMS and we have a little more research on how things like critical damage works and how ignoring defense works.

Then... Don't look at my Excel File, so you don't get this misleading info, so you will be well informed. Problem solved, everyone happy.

Ignoring bad data doesn't make it less bad.

I haven't made one for KMST yet. I'm not going to make one until the patch goes live in KMS and we have a little more research on how things like critical damage works and how ignoring defense works.



Ignoring bad data doesn't make it less bad.

Ya I agree cause n/l get some 15% ignoring defense with TT or something plus with the change of everything i'd like to see how everything fairs out with the change of the formula's....Also don't BM have a new skill that ignores a monster's defense?

Then... Don't look at my Excel File, so you don't get this misleading info, so you will be well informed. Problem solved, everyone happy.

I refuse to listen to critisicm because my ego can't take it.

Defense makes a big difference now right? Why wouldn't you include that?

I don't see 17.5m, I see 17,421,337. The fact that you have the abbreviate all your numbers only helps my point.

I didn't realize it was so easy to get people to take you seriously with misleading and inaccurate data. You don't know the skill delays, the equipment isn't balanced out (the Hero has a freaking clean sword), and most importantly, we don't know exactly how all the new skills and formulas work. This isn't even worth using as a preview of the new order of things. Speculative calculations are useless. I dunno if you were around back when Pirates were coming out, but Devil was making calculations to show that Buccaneers would be the strongest class, thanks to underestimating skill delays, massive oversimplification, and poor equipment choices. When they actually came out, we quickly found out that they were actually among the weakest classes. How many people funded the hell out of a Buccaneer and met disappointment? I'm not trying to shut you down because I have my own DPS spreadsheet, and I'm not just being an pimento for no reason. I would rather not have the weather than have the weatherman tell me it's going to be sunny and get hit with a thunderstorm. Wait until the research comes out. Otherwise, you're just going to have dumb complaints about how x class is overpowered or underpowered when in reality they're perfectly balanced.

Just sit back and watch as people complain and fuss over nothing, lol =S

I don't see 17.5m, I see 17,421,337. The fact that you have the abbreviate all your numbers only helps my point.

I didn't realize it was so easy to get people to take you seriously with misleading and inaccurate data. You don't know the skill delays, the equipment isn't balanced out (the Hero has a freaking clean sword), and most importantly, we don't know exactly how all the new skills and formulas work. This isn't even worth using as a preview of the new order of things. Speculative calculations are useless. I dunno if you were around back when Pirates were coming out, but Devil was making calculations to show that Buccaneers would be the strongest class, thanks to underestimating skill delays, massive oversimplification, and poor equipment choices. When they actually came out, we quickly found out that they were actually among the weakest classes. How many people funded the hell out of a Buccaneer and met disappointment? I'm not trying to shut you down because I have my own DPS spreadsheet, and I'm not just being an pimento for no reason. I would rather not have the weather than have the weatherman tell me it's going to be sunny and get hit with a thunderstorm. Wait until the research comes out. Otherwise, you're just going to have dumb complaints about how x class is overpowered or underpowered when in reality they're perfectly balanced.

Amen.

It took me 30 seconds of looking at the Shadower numbers to already tell they are wrong, and I didn't even need to pull out a calculator for it, just rough calculations. If it took me that little time to realize that 1 class is wrong I can't imagine how many other may be too. The issue about how criticals work is a glaring problem too.

I honestly can't tell if this is disinformation or misinformation.

Hey all,

if you are not happy with the excel den fk off and dun come here make attack. If you are really that pro go make one chart and post it here.

TS has already make it clear that the info might not be correct. so stop making attack. just take it with a pinch of salt.

if you are really r that desperate to get that what ever dpm/dps to show your class is better, go figure out yourself.

if you think your class is really THAT under buff or what ever, please go make one chart yourself.