Snatch

Yay for energy build.

What good is a 12x buc at horntail other than a booster mule. That sounds pretty dumb to me to sit there and cast booster the whole run. By the time any buc can actually hit/do decent dmg, they'll have 11 wind booster anyways.



don't you mean snatch -> shockwave?

What's wrong with hitting for free exp leech, and getting big meso splits? Last time I checked easy money and free exp was worth it.

Not to mention, you'll get some HT experiance as a pirate before you start doing it as a realistic attacker

600% damage to 6 monsters, at 400% range, with pulling, and spammable at 45/minute sounds too good to be true, even if it can only be used half the time max.

Why don't I ever see it used in vids?

isnt it

300% Range?

Yeah, that was pointed out. Still, it's pretty long.

[COLOR="Magenta"][SIZE="2"]Don't ever think of maxing Snatch in gMS until Leviathan is released as it's the only monster that drops Snatch 30 IMO.

Lol Nexon[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[COLOR="Magenta"][SIZE="2"]Don't ever think of maxing Snatch in gMS until Leviathan is released as it's the only monster that drops Snatch 30 IMO.

Lol Nexon[/SIZE][/COLOR]

This is the exact reason why I didn't max Snatch first. Also, Snatch -> Demo is way better than Demo -> Demo for critting as Demo's stun sometimes doesn't last long enough for you to get crit on the second Demo.

What good is a 12x buc at horntail other than a booster mule. That sounds pretty dumb to me to sit there and cast booster the whole run. By the time any buc can actually hit/do decent dmg, they'll have 11 wind booster anyways.



don't you mean snatch -> shockwave?

buccaneers to me are not an attacking class for ht/zak or w/e, its there for the party skills, if any pirate would be an attacking class, were only looking at corsairs here having one of the top dps on a single target.

and with snatch -> shockwave.. thats pretty boo boo to me.. when i use super transform training i ALWAYS do snatch -> demo.. get the crit first.. i hit 1hko skeles when i snatch -> demo..
snatch -> shockwave is stupid

What I plan to do in 4th...


I would use snatch--> Shockwave with mobs larger than 4 monsters. Other than that I would just go Snatch --> Demo

buccaneers to me are not an attacking class for ht/zak or w/e, its there for the party skills, if any pirate would be an attacking class, were only looking at corsairs here having one of the top dps on a single target.

and with snatch -> shockwave.. thats pretty boo boo to me.. when i use super transform training i ALWAYS do snatch -> demo.. get the crit first.. i hit 1hko skeles when i snatch -> demo..
snatch -> shockwave is stupid

How is snatch->shockwave stupid? Snatch is a mob skill, that stuns the mob, and draws them into you. Followed by a shockwave that hits all the stunned monsters snatch just put in front of you. With level 20+ demo you're pretty much OHKO any monster without the crit.

Found new vids, Viper with Snatch/BSB stunner and SE:

lvl 129 Viper - Newties - Snatch starts at 1:04
[YOUTUBE]XGJs35jORjk[/YOUTUBE]

lvl 143 Viper - HT (1st part) - Showa starts at 2:55
[YOUTUBE]p89jrYtLHog[/YOUTUBE]

wait wait wait

People use Demolition for training? Why would you want to spend 2.34 seconds stuck in an attack when you could use a faster skill to kill whatever it is you're attacking? Demolition massively overkills everything with SE.

Edit: Devil, I can't tell what the hell is going on in the second video.

wait wait wait

People use Demolition for training? Why would you want to spend 2.34 seconds stuck in an attack when you could use a faster skill to kill whatever it is you're attacking? Demolition massively overkills everything with SE.

Maxed Demolition is highly effective with training at skelegons, you 1hit kill them every time (don't forget your minimum damage needs to 1 hit kill them when you're 1-hit-kill training, that's why the extra damage is not an overkill), you don't need use snatch or walk around for monsters, which slows other classes down, just spam Demolition all the time. Don't forget it's ranged (300%) and you have godmode while performing it, which saves you a LOT of potions as a Buccaneer...

Also, I think it has to do with how people want their skills to be at lvl140-ish. They want to just "pwn" at that lvl (can't blame them, I'm doing that build too). A lot of people will have:

- lvl1 SI - Max speedup possible for yourself
- lvl1 Barrage - For times you can't transform
- lvl20 Super Transform (6 out of 8 minutes Shockwave "Mini Dragon Strike")
- lvl1 Timeleap - Very good for 2 or 3 Buc-party Pap runs.
- lvl1 Snatch - For criticals with Demolition - looks "pro".
- lvl30 Demolition - Quite good for training, Very good for Bossing

This build will need: 20+30+1+1+1 = 53 SP's, that's lvl 138

And beyond that, you'll go:
- lvl11 SI - Good for boss party's
- lvl30 Barrage - For times you can't transform, now maxed.

Total build requires: 53+10+29 = 92 SP's, that's lvl 151

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I know many people here on sp.net prefer other builds, builds that will get you faster to lvl 200 (with max Dragon Strike & max Barrage 1st). There is one problem: That build isn't -that- good for bossing till lvl 160~170+, it only excells in grinding... It's just a choice what you prefer...

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Devil, I can't tell what the hell is going on in the second video

That dude is trying to show-off a 99,999 critical with Barrage + SE in Showa...

33k non-crit is more impressive than 99k in my opinion anyway.

No, I mean max Demolition with SE should be doing around 200k (5000% of a range of 4kish?) damage on average by the time you get it. That, is overkill. You don't need your minimum damage to be so high that you're guaranteed a 1hko with 0 crits.

Edit: Keep in mind you're already doing damage to stun the monsters, and that Buccaneers won't be highly wanted for their DPS at bosses anyway. They're mostly helpful for Time Leap (at least while the main DPS classes at big raid bosses are BMs and NLs, neither of which are affected by SI - could change if we start seeing a lot of Corsairs joining the ranks). A 14x Buccaneer isn't going to be in high demand for anything but party skills at HT, regardless of whether they have maxed Demo or not.

No, I mean max Demolition with SE should be doing around 200k (5000% of a range of 4kish?) damage on average by the time you get it. That, is overkill. You don't need your minimum damage to be so high that you're guaranteed a 1hko with 0 crits.

Well most of the time a Buccanneer is just doing a 2 party with a Bishop for fastest exp. So there is no SE needed. Also, you don't really use snatch while training (unless you max it) because that lowers your training speed a lot. Without SM the damage is about 160k max, and a minimum of 90k, making sure you 1hit kill skelegons all the time, with just demolition spamming, and with the added godmode (like bstep for shadowers), that's REALLY cheap training with good exp. And, again, the STransform/Demolition build prepares you for (solo) bossing a lot better then the Dragon Strike, Barrage build...

1hk Skelegons all the time with Demo = 4500 exp in 2.34 seconds
4hk Himes all the time with Snatch/Shockwave = 6 x 3200 exp in 4.5 seconds

No contest. Really.

1hk Skelegons all the time with Demo = 4500 exp in 2.34 seconds
4hk Himes all the time with Snatch/Shockwave = 6 x 3200 exp in 4.5 seconds

No contest. Really.

Yes, yes, Shockwave will be faster at Himes (Same goes for Dragon Strike) when you're soloing. But dont forget:

- Training in party with a Bishop at Skele's = faster then himes
- Training with Demolition is EXTREME cheap, you can consider paying the bishop... because you earn money training that way...
- Training at Himes will bleed mesos out of your ass....
- You can always use Shockwave if you can hit 3 or more Skelegons at the same time...
- Minimum respawn time is 10 seconds, that's 5 Demolition hits, you can never kill more then 6 skelegons with Shockwave in 10 seconds, unless you pre-mobbed them...

All I want to say, Demolition at skelegons = not bad at all!

You forget that Snatch snatches. Self-milling mobs for the pineappling win.

And if you can get a Bishop at Skeles, you can get a Priest at Himes.

I personally thought about doing that because it sounds like it would be stong for training at gaurds, but i ended up doing boss build being as my connections from my nl had me at horntail/zak since 125 XD i'm 149 right now and i booster first then (putting one on almost every skill first tho XD for fun) then i maxed dragon strike usefull for training at gaurds and such I'm about to max barrage level 29 and i have 15 demo i'm going to max super transform next. then go and finish demo

Why skeles anyway? CGs please.

Who cares about meso loss, you're getting more exp.

Lol @ callis BF posting here. (i'm assuming BF o_o)