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Sarah Palin =/= President.
#21
xkatiie Wrote:Imagine someone is raped and here you got Palin who makes rape victims pay for their rape kits because she's so freaking pro life. Who cares if a rape kit has the morning after pill.
Unless its covered by your insurance, I think you should pay for a rape kit, regardless of whats in it
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#22
0mgP1r4tes Wrote:Unless its covered by your insurance, I think you should pay for a rape kit, regardless of whats in it

I hope you get raped and have to pay a thousand dollars for what someone did to you without your consent....:f6: Sounds fair right
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#23
Stereo Wrote:I hope you get raped and have to pay a thousand dollars for what someone did to you without your consent....:f6: Sounds fair right
If someone shoots me in the stomach without my consent, and my insurance doesnt cover it, should I get free medical care? If someone injects me with AIDS without my consent, should I get free cocktails?
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#24
0mgP1r4tes Wrote:If someone shoots me in the stomach without my consent, and my insurance doesnt cover it, should I get free medical care? If someone injects me with AIDS without my consent, should I get free cocktails?
Yes! Why should you have to die because you're a victim and you're poor?
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#25
0mgP1r4tes Wrote:If someone shoots me in the stomach without my consent, and my insurance doesnt cover it, should I get free medical care? If someone injects me with AIDS without my consent, should I get free cocktails?

Yes...?
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#26
IsaacGS Wrote:Yes! Why should you have to die because you're a victim and you're poor?
And have hospitals federally funded? Its a democratic republic, not a socialist state

Im not saying that I dont believe it should happen, I just believe the US should have as little government as possible when it comes to private business sectors. In a perfect world where we could have free health care and no tax increases, Id be all for it, but thats just not how it works

ClawOfBeta Wrote:Yes...?
Then where does it end? A girl doesnt want to have to pay for PLan B, so she lies and says she was raped for a free rape kit. A man is leaving his house on a jog but his spouse doesnt see him and hits him with a truck. He claims it was a hit and run, so he gets free medical care right?

If you let one person get something free because its out of their control, its fairly simple for people to lie and say what happened to them was not under their control, and thus should be free
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#27
Do you know how much price gouging goes on because of privatized healthcare in the US? Americans pay more for less care than in any other first world country. Does it really matter if it comes off as tax or directly out of your income as employer benefits? Either way you're paying it, and with public health care it is cheaper and available to more people.

Giving health to someone who's in it for the money is a bad idea. Cutting costs and boosting profit margins does not improve the quality of care, and for something as essential as health, people have no choice but to pay the price or die.
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#28
Stereo Wrote:Do you know how much price gouging goes on because of privatized healthcare in the US? Americans pay more for less care than in any other first world country.
Yes. And its because of the FDA that alot of working medications never make it into the country. There are confirmed remedies for diabetes in China, yet the FDA refuses to recognize it. Better to have someone live with diabetes and profit off their insulin injections, test strips, etc than cure them

Is it fair? No. But thats how this country works. If you dont like democratic republics, maybe someone should start a revolution o_0
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#29
Cheez Wrote:if obama had a chance of being killed then bush would have been dead in the first year.

 Spoiler
Very true D:
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#30
0mgP1r4tes Wrote:And have hospitals federally funded? Its a democratic republic, not a socialist state

Im not saying that I dont believe it should happen, I just believe the US should have as little government as possible when it comes to private business sectors. In a perfect world where we could have free health care and no tax increases, Id be all for it, but thats just not how it works


Then where does it end? A girl doesnt want to have to pay for PLan B, so she lies and says she was raped for a free rape kit. A man is leaving his house on a jog but his spouse doesnt see him and hits him with a truck. He claims it was a hit and run, so he gets free medical care right?

If you let one person get something free because its out of their control, its fairly simple for people to lie and say what happened to them was not under their control, and thus should be free
Knowing many people who work at hospitals, I can tell you that the current system of corporately owned hospitals does not work. The people who run the hospital are not the slightest bit concerned in the well being of their patients. They are solely concerned with making profits. Even if the doctors or nurses want to help someone, if it's going to cost the hospital extra they won't be allowed to do so. They constantly fire the support staff (Social workers, CNAs, etc.) and force the nurses to take on those jobs, without ever increasing their pay.

as for rape kits, anyone who gets one is going to have to file a police report. Filing a false police report is a crime. People aren't going to do that just to avoid the cost of one measly pill.

you need to think of the big picture. Is the cost of one measly little rape kit worth increasing the suffering of a victim? Is the cost of that man's medical bills worth the cost of not having him working in the economy? There will ALWAYS be people around to abuse the system, but you must ask yourself if the lost money over these few abuses are worthy of the cost of people dying because you deny them treatment. In my opinion, if this program even saves one person legitimately it is worth the cost, however you clearly do not value human life at all so that argument doesn't hold any weight for you.
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#31
Omg i think i love you p1rates. You make me proud to be a Republican. Honestly i don't understand why Obama is geeting praised either. He is just some lazy ass senator who was born into money and decided to run for President. During his campaign my favorite moment was when he stated that he didn't come from wealth and had to work hard to get where he is at today. Bullpumpernickel. If you research Obama it is clear everything he does isn't paid for by him. McCain is a POW war veteran. He has seen and done things people should never experience. It's a miracle that he is able to even live a normal life after what happened. And everyone who disses on Palin, stfu. Sarah Palin is potentially the most popular and well-like Vice Presidential Candidate ever. McCain picked her because he needs input from a younger, more astute personality. She is the perfect candidate. Where she lives is nothing. She has been more open about her personal life than most politicians ever are. BTW, does anyone else think that Biden looks like that pedophile that lives in the trailer park in your town?

Edit: BTW your post makes no sense because Sarah Palin isn't even running for President, she is John McCain's selection for Vice President. I don't recall any other VP candidates in the past being put under this much pressure.
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#32
0mgP1r4tes Wrote:Yes. And its because of the FDA that alot of working medications never make it into the country. There are confirmed remedies for diabetes in China, yet the FDA refuses to recognize it. Better to have someone live with diabetes and profit off their insulin injections, test strips, etc than cure them

Is it fair? No. But thats how this country works. If you dont like democratic republics, maybe someone should start a revolution o_0

This sounds surprising similar to people who have claimed to promote these so-called "Miracle Cures". *cough* Kevin Trudeau *cough* Tongue

The other strange thing is how even with these people that make these claims that there's people who still suffer. Makes you wonder about those so-called "cures", don't ya?
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Kurtle Wrote:Omg i think i love you p1rates. You make me proud to be a Republican. Honestly i don't understand why Obama is geeting praised either. He is just some lazy ass senator who was born into money and decided to run for President. During his campaign my favorite moment was when he stated that he didn't come from wealth and had to work hard to get where he is at today. Bullpumpernickel. If you research Obama it is clear everything he does isn't paid for by him. McCain is a POW war veteran. He has seen and done things people should never experience. It's a miracle that he is able to even live a normal life after what happened. And everyone who disses on Palin, stfu. Sarah Palin is potentially the most popular and well-like Vice Presidential Candidate ever. McCain picked her because he needs input from a younger, more astute personality. She is the perfect candidate. Where she lives is nothing. She has been more open about her personal life than most politicians ever are. BTW, does anyone else think that Biden looks like that pedophile that lives in the trailer park in your town?

Edit: BTW your post makes no sense because Sarah Palin isn't even running for President, she is John McCain's selection for Vice President. I don't recall any other VP candidates in the past being put under this much pressure.
Well Im not gonna lie, if I could have someone other than McCain running under the Republican ticket, Id be happy. And Palin uses the "Im an average joe just like you" card too much....

The reason why she is getting so pressured is because she would be the first female VP, which means she is just one heart attack away from running this country.

What I love is the Dems voting down bills to bail out the current financial situation. In my opinion, they wanna wait for Obama to get in the chair so he can seem like a hero coming in and fixing the problems
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#34
0mgP1r4tes Wrote:If someone shoots me in the stomach without my consent, and my insurance doesnt cover it, should I get free medical care? If someone injects me with AIDS without my consent, should I get free cocktails?
And this is why the term 'pro life' is misleading.
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#35
Kurtle Wrote:He is just some lazy ass senator who was born into money and decided to run for President.

Where the pineapple does it say he was born into MONEY?..hmm? sources please..
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#36
SuGaRnSp1C3 Wrote:Where the pineapple does it say he was born into MONEY?..hmm? sources please..
Apparently his wife's family is worth quite alot. Id be more worried about all the money hes gotten from Fannie Mae

Anyone remember the The Community Reinvestment Act? Didnt think so. According to this law, (HEAVILY pushed by President Jimmy Carter) it requires banks and thrifts to offer credit throughout their entire market area and prohibits them from targeting only wealthier neighborhoods with their services, a practice known as “redlining.”

Now what does this mean? Nothing really. Just that those who cant afford to pay back loans they take out, people who would normally be denied a loan, were allowed to get those loans. Then in 1995, during the Clinton administration, the Democrats added new provisions that forced banks to issue $1 trillion in “sub-prime” loans. This meant that because of this law, they were forced to give loans to people that didnt have the credit for them, and most likely would default on the loans

And have you heard of former Fannie Mae (or the Federal National Mortgage Association) CEO Franklin Raines? During the Carter Administration, he was associate director for economics and government in the Office of Management and Budget and assistant director of the White House Domestic Policy Staff from 1977 to 1979. He then became the CEO of Fannie Mae from 1991 to 1996. For the Clinton Administration, he was the Director of the U.S. Office of Management and Budget, where he served until 1998. Returned to Fannie Mae in 1999 as CEO. And on December 21, 2004 Raines accepted what he called “early retirement” from his position as CEO while U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission investigators continued to investigate alleged accounting irregularities. Running away before being put in jail.... Now he gives Obama personal advice on mortagage and housing policy matters.

Why are Franklin Raines and Obama so buddy-buddy? Because Fannie Mae has paid Obama over $125,000 in under four years...that we know of. Because of Fannie Mae's huge involvement in Democratic presidents, Im sure the figure is much larger "off the books". n spite of that short time in Congress, Obama managed to accumulate the second highest donations to members of Congress by associates of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That’s right. He managed to collect eight times the donations from these people in less than four years than John McCain received in nearly 30 years.

Now. That’s real change.

We definitely need four years of that kind of record. Barack Obama is certainly trying to prove that the presidency of the United States can be bought.


Here's what was believed to be happening. Those who couldnt afford to pay on the principal of their loans (mainly those with the sub-prime loans, the ones Clinton forced banks and mortgage firms to give away) were traded away like property, between different mortgage firms. Franklin Raines walked away with over $50 million dollars from his time as CEO making money off of selling off defaulted loans to other collection agencies.

Again this is all theory, and this all might be coincidence. Just seems funny that a company that largely supports and profits from Democratic candidates and presidents has such shady financial transactions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-_HlpZ8azA

And another note on Senator Biden, during the debate, he made a comment about finding out what the folks on Main Street think:

“Look, all you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie’s Restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time and you ask anybody in there whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years.”

I guess he has a time machine and can change time and space. The restraunt has been closed down for over 20 years, and it wasnt on Union Street

If Biden can lie about the silly stuff with such ease, it concerns me about what he says and promises for the real issues.
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0mgP1r4tes Wrote:Apparently his wife's family is worth quite alot. Id be more worried about all the money hes gotten from Fannie Mae

Anyone remember the The Community Reinvestment Act? Didnt think so. According to this law, (HEAVILY pushed by President Jimmy Carter) it requires banks and thrifts to offer credit throughout their entire market area and prohibits them from targeting only wealthier neighborhoods with their services, a practice known as “redlining.”

Now what does this mean? Nothing really. Just that those who cant afford to pay back loans they take out, people who would normally be denied a loan, were allowed to get those loans. Then in 1995, during the Clinton administration, the Democrats added new provisions that forced banks to issue $1 trillion in “sub-prime” loans. This meant that because of this law, they were forced to give loans to people that didnt have the credit for them, and most likely would default on the loans

And have you heard of former Fannie Mae (or the Federal National Mortgage Association) CEO Franklin Raines? During the Carter Administration, he was associate director for economics and government in the Office of Management and Budget and assistant director of the White House Domestic Policy Staff from 1977 to 1979. He then became the CEO of Fannie Mae from 1991 to 1996. For the Clinton Administration, he was the Director of the U.S. Office of Management and Budget, where he served until 1998. Returned to Fannie Mae in 1999 as CEO. And on December 21, 2004 Raines accepted what he called “early retirement” from his position as CEO while U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission investigators continued to investigate alleged accounting irregularities. Running away before being put in jail.... Now he gives Obama personal advice on mortagage and housing policy matters.

Why are Franklin Raines and Obama so buddy-buddy? Because Fannie Mae has paid Obama over $125,000 in under four years...that we know of. Because of Fannie Mae's huge involvement in Democratic presidents, Im sure the figure is much larger "off the books"

Here's what was believed to be happening. Those who couldnt afford to pay on the principal of their loans (mainly those with the sub-prime loans, the ones Clinton forced banks and mortgage firms to give away) were traded away like property, between different mortgage firms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-_HlpZ8azA

Well that doesn't really answer my question but thanks for the info love..
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#38
SuGaRnSp1C3 Wrote:Well that doesn't really answer my question but thanks for the info love..
Read the beginning, his wife is loaded. She wasnt brn into it though, she worked pretty hard
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#39
0mgP1r4tes Wrote:Apparently his wife's family is worth quite alot.

She grew up on the south side of Chicago in a tiny 1 bedroom apartment in which her and her brother slept in the living room on the floor. He dad was a worker at the water purification plant. From the interview on ABC Friday night, they didn't have money. And if they did, neither Barack nor Michelle Obama would of been in debt so bad from student loans.

And by the way... all politicians are corrupt. McCain isn't the best person either.

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#40
I'd like to point out an observation I made about the Republican ticket. Ever since Palin was named the candidate for VP, I have only seen Palin in the ads that occasionally pop up online. It's almost as if McCain is completely forgotten and Palin is the one running for President.

Opinion: Palin gets into the headlines way more often than McCain and they seem to be going by "all news is good news." And to get that coverage, they just use attention-grabbing phrases the media is bound to pounce on, like the pitbull with lipstick from awhile ago. I really hate how she keeps saying soccer/hockey moms and blahblah-joe. And, I don't think it's simply bias that's making people hate Palin, it just makes it more noticeable because the spotlight is on her. I hate Palin because she comes off as an ignorant person who memorizes catchphrases and doesn't know how to adjust.

And the worst part about the election is that the two sides just keep bashing each other even though they keep saying it's time to stop the blame game. And no, McCain is not the "true maverick" and Obama is not the "change" that the nation is waiting for, so I wish they'd stop saying trivial little things that try to dress them as such.
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