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holyforest Wrote:The Republicans will take down the world, not Obama. Since when did encouraging students to stay in school and get good grades become something they do in fascist or communist countries? It looks like the Republicans wouldn't give a rat's ass if the entire student population dropped out of school. To tell you the truth, the Republicans are the most worthless party on the face of the planet. They want everything to stay the same and are against almost every single thing that helps the country of the planet. Hell, even Greens and Libertarians are better than they are. Quite frankly, I hope that in 2012, the cookoo banana nut Republicans will shut up and diminish. It'd be the happiest day on the Earth if the independents took over as the 2nd major party.
The Republicans are the only reason we are not a socialist country. It is the Dems that want socialism. You want socialism, you'll love it in Sweden. (You get as much welfare as some people do working, hence no incentive to work.) You want communism, you'll love it in North Korea. We are capitalists here, no thanks to Obama and his Dems. And for a country tat everyone is claiming is falling apart, America is a damn good place to live.
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Quantact Wrote:The Republicans are the only reason we are not a socialist country. It is the Dems that want socialism. You want socialism, you'll love it in Sweden. (You get as much welfare as some people do working, hence no incentive to work.) You want communism, you'll love it in North Korea. We are capitalists here, no thanks to Obama and his Dems. And for a country tat everyone is claiming is falling apart, America is a damn good place to live.
Thw difference between Swden and the U.S. is that they've actually done stuff to help their people and the planet, unlike the U.S. which is trying to do stuff to help their people and the planet, but those pesky Republicans don't want us to do anything. I do not want communism. And quite frankly, it's actually better to live in other countries like Sweden right now than in the U.S.
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It's ridiculous how people think this is a huge deal.
I mean, done before everywhere there, but now it's when it's a big deal.
Why wasn't like that before?
I'll tell you why.
HUMAN BEINGS ARE ALL MORONS. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US. WE DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL.
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holyforest Wrote:Thw difference between Swden and the U.S. is that they've actually done stuff to help their people and the planet, unlike the U.S. which is trying to do stuff to help their people and the planet, but those pesky Republicans don't want us to do anything. I do not want communism. And quite frankly, it's actually better to live in other countries like Sweden right now than in the U.S.
Ok, go live in Sweden.
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Quantact Wrote:Ok, go live in Sweden.
No, I'd actually like to see my country make some progress. How bout you go and leave the country. Go on now.
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2009-09-13, 08:07 PM
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holyforest Wrote:No, I'd actually like to see my country make some progress. How bout you go and leave the country. Go on now.
No, I like it here. I came to America and I am glad to be here. I also like other countries but if you go saying "it's better over there," YOU go live over there, because you're the one whining how much better it is there, not me.
It's funny how immigrants to this country whine about "it being better over there" the least, cause unlike you we actually have been there.
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Go get yourself a gun n sit on a grassy knoll Quantact, sounds like you want to..
Are American parents really so callow that the leader of your country taking time to go to a school and talk to kids about how important their education is, is percieved as a bad thing?
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Lost my Mind. Wrote:Go get yourself a gun n sit on a grassy knoll Quantact, sounds like you want to..
Nice reasoning. I don't like Obama ---------> I want to KILL Obama. Truly, nice work.  Your username suits you well.
Quote:Are American parents really so callow that the leader of your country taking time to go to a school and talk to kids about how important their education is, is percieved as a bad thing?
No, most American parents care about actual education more than a crook stealing their money and hten saying "Dis iz 4 da childrun" while squandering the money on whatever the hell he wants.
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Quantact Wrote:Nice reasoning. I don't like Obama ---------> I want to KILL Obama. Truly, nice work. Your username suits you well.
Very cute, personal attacks because I struck a nerve. Your dislike for Obama is rather disturbing to say the least. Sounds like you want to see him crash and burn so badly that his career, all his hopes and dreams for your country and everything he striving to stand for are shattered beyond repair. Wanting to see him stripped of those things is as good as wanting to shoot him.
I dont agree with everything Obama does, but given that the Bush administration left him in a hole of debt without a shovel hes done a decent job so far attempting to dig the country out of that as well as improving on it.
Quote:No, most American parents care about actual education more than a crook stealing their money and hten saying "Dis iz 4 da childrun" while squandering the money on whatever the hell he wants.
If thats what you think is going on then theres nothing that will coax you out of your little world. Your laughable excuse for a comment is proof parents dont give a rats ass and would rather complain about something that should in fact actually be commended, but hey ignorance is bliss eh?
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Quantact Wrote:No, I like it here. I came to America and I am glad to be here. I also like other countries but if you go saying "it's better over there," YOU go live over there, because you're the one whining how much better it is there, not me.
It's funny how immigrants to this country whine about "it being better over there" the least, cause unlike you we actually have been there.
Republicans leaving the country would be a great service to us.
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2009-09-14, 12:06 PM
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holyforest Wrote:Republicans leaving the country would be a great service to us.
Wow dude, with those reasoning skills you should run for President. You'll be elected in a landslide.
Lost my Mind. Wrote:Very cute, personal attacks because I struck a nerve. Your dislike for Obama is rather disturbing to say the least. Sounds like you want to see him crash and burn so badly that his career, all his hopes and dreams for your country and everything he striving to stand for are shattered beyond repair. Wanting to see him stripped of those things is as good as wanting to shoot him.
I dont agree with everything Obama does, but given that the Bush administration left him in a hole of debt without a shovel hes done a decent job so far attempting to dig the country out of that as well as improving on it.
If thats what you think is going on then theres nothing that will coax you out of your little world. Your laughable excuse for a comment is proof parents dont give a rats ass and would rather complain about something that should in fact actually be commended, but hey ignorance is bliss eh?
Actually I didn't think Bush did a good job, and I don't think Obama deserves to be murdered. That's you putting words in my mouth. You are one of those liberals that has no argumentative skills, (and it seems not too much education,) but you think being "progressive" makes you smart, and more correct than the other guy. Because fuucking in bushes and hugging trees is equivalent to a liberal-arts education in a reputable college.
Obama DOESN'T have any hopes or dreams for this country, because he's been president for a while now, and all he's done is increase the budget deficit to over 1 trillion. Obama is somebody that knows how to speak well, and sheep like you think that means he's a visionary and means well for you, when in reality, he's taking your tax dollars and wiping his contributors' asses with it. People get behind the guy they voted for and justify even ridiculous $hit he does, because they voted for him. That's you. It is delicious irony that you're telling me "ignorance is bliss" when your elected official is driving this country down the toilet, while the depression he promised to fix is in full swing, and none of that 1 trillion has done jack $hit about it. Bill Clinton was a democrat who knew what he was doing, but this guy is not Bill Clinton, he's just like Bush, and you're behind him for the same reason that rednecks were behind Bush.
Baawww all you want, talking to you is not worth anymore of my time. I have a bunch of liberal friends, (being in Chicago, not many conservatives around here,) but you're not a liberal, you're just a fool. You'd vote for Mao Zedong if the Democratic party put him up for President.
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To add to Quantact's reply, not only has he already effectively doubled the deficit, his programs have been shown by the non-partisan cbo will increase the federal deficit by 10 million over the next 8-10 years.
That's just his first 8 months out of a possible 8 years. Ready for more? He sure seems willing to make it so.
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Quantact Wrote:Wow dude, with those reasoning skills you should run for President. You'll be elected in a landslide. 
Actually I didn't think Bush did a good job, and I don't think Obama deserves to be murdered. That's you putting words in my mouth. You are one of those liberals that has no argumentative skills, (and it seems not too much education,) but you think being "progressive" makes you smart, and more correct than the other guy. Because fuucking in bushes and hugging trees is equivalent to a liberal-arts education in a reputable college.
Obama DOESN'T have any hopes or dreams for this country, because he's been president for a while now, and all he's done is increase the budget deficit to over 1 trillion. Obama is somebody that knows how to speak well, and sheep like you think that means he's a visionary and means well for you, when in reality, he's taking your tax dollars and wiping his contributors' asses with it. People get behind the guy they voted for and justify even ridiculous $hit he does, because they voted for him. That's you. It is delicious irony that you're telling me "ignorance is bliss" when your elected official is driving this country down the toilet, while the depression he promised to fix is in full swing, and none of that 1 trillion has done jack $hit about it. Bill Clinton was a democrat who knew what he was doing, but this guy is not Bill Clinton, he's just like Bush, and you're behind him for the same reason that rednecks were behind Bush.
Baawww all you want, talking to you is not worth anymore of my time. I have a bunch of liberal friends, (being in Chicago, not many conservatives around here,) but you're not a liberal, you're just a fool. You'd vote for Mao Zedong if the Democratic party put him up for President.
We would not vote for Mao Zedong if he was put up for president. Obama does have hopes for this country, and don't you DARE compare him to that living cesspool Bush. Obama has done more to help this country than Bush or his Republican goonies ever did. Now I suggest that you shut up and zip your mouth now because ignorance is radiating from your misinformed body. Talking to people like you is like talking to a wall.
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God... god dam it... just.... god dam it...
my head hurts.. these people have less maturity and "smarts" then the /b section of four chan.. i swear
and what's with the two (insert insult here) people arguing.. Obama is not god and Socialism is good unless you're a selfish piece of crap and can't live without indulgding in greed, glutteny, and pride (consevatives/Republicans are Religious my ass...)
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finalbragade Wrote:God... god dam it... just.... god dam it...
my head hurts.. these people have less maturity and "smarts" then the /b section of four chan.. i swear
It's not our fault that people like Quantact are unreasonable. Come, let's leave before the unreasonable king comes back and blabbers more blah.
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2009-09-14, 02:24 PM
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revansithasasin Wrote:To add to Quantact's reply, not only has he already effectively doubled the deficit, his programs have been shown by the non-partisan cbo will increase the federal deficit by 10 million over the next 8-10 years.
That's just his first 8 months out of a possible 8 years. Ready for more? He sure seems willing to make it so.
Idiots are always ready to follow a demagogue. He gets up before a crowd and makes a speech, and their souls open to him, and he pours anything he wants in, and it's no longer "his" beliefs, it's "their" beliefs, and they'll do anything to defend it. The dumber the listener before the politician is, the more true this is for him. Think of how stupid someone has to be to beleive that a speech a politician gives is the true indicator of who he is. It's been carefully edited and re-edited, and prepared for months, but they think it is the "real Obama." For fuuck's sake.
And it's not a liberal demagogue thing. Conservative demagogues did the same thing, (David Duke, Joe McCarthy, Adolf Hitler.) However, a trait peculiar to liberalism is that they think they are the "wave of the future," andd it's so exciting and "new and original" that anything the other guys say must be dumb and wrong. It's a curious pattern that a lot of young people start out as liberals and grow more conservative with age. This is because they go from having no money of their own, (and thus liberalism is good because they defend squandering someone else's money,) to having a house, and a car and a bank account, (which the liberals will empty out because the former liberal is now the "someone else.)
finalbragade Wrote:God... god dam it... just.... god dam it...
my head hurts.. these people have less maturity and "smarts" then the /b section of four chan.. i swear
and what's with the two (insert insult here) people arguing.. Obama is not god and Socialism is good unless you're a selfish piece of crap and can't live without indulgding in greed, glutteny, and pride (consevatives/Republicans are Religious my ass...)
Ok, how about you work for a living and give all of it up "to good," and live in a cardboard box, and I work for a living and use it to buy food for my table and a roof over my head and education for my children. You're a socialist, I am a capitalist. The difference between you and me is you are telling me what to do with my money, and I am telling MYSELF what to do with my money, and that is none of your fuucking business. That's why I am not a socialist; using the government to strong-arm money from hard-working people to feed the riff-raff is what socialism is all about. In capitalism helping the needy is called "charity," and there is no strong-arming involved. I am quite sure that in America more "charity" gets handed out than was handed out in Soviet Russia, that is unless you count crooked politicians pocketing it all as "charity."
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Quantact Wrote:Ok, how about you work for a living and give all of it up "to good," and live in a cardboard box, and I work for a living and use it to buy food for my table and a roof over my head and education for my children. You're a socialist, I am a capitalist. The difference between you and me is you are telling me what to do with my money, and I am telling MYSELF what to do with my money, and that is none of your fuucking business. That's why I am not a socialist; using the government to strong-arm money from hard-working people to feed the riff-raff is what socialism is all about. In capitalism helping the needy is called "charity," and there is no strong-arming involved. I am quite sure that in America more "charity" gets handed out than was handed out in Soviet Russia, that is unless you count crooked politicians pocketing it all as "charity."
Yes because all socialism has brought to Sweden is one of the best educational system in the world, National health care, one of the longest life expectancy rates in the world, and one of the lowest inflation rate in all European countries... but I suppose the cardboard boxes they live in sort of balances them out
Last time I checked that tax money is used to help the hard workers with the education, health care, and housing... which if you consider it.. is what that extra percent in taxes is used for anyway
Oh also you should probably know that your ability to spend or not spend money is the same thing that's currently screwing our capitalistic country over because people are scared shiitless to spend a dime on anything.... and if that continues our economy will fail...
Is that last sentence not applying to the USA as if you're saying America has no crooked politician or am I reading that wrong?
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finalbragade Wrote:Yes because all socialism has brought to Sweden is one of the best educational system in the world, National health care, one of the longest life expectancy rates in the world, and one of the lowest inflation rate in all European countries... but I suppose the cardboard boxes they live in sort of balances them out
Last time I checked that tax money is used to help the hard workers with the education, health care, and housing... which if you consider it.. is what that extra percent in taxes is used for anyway
Oh also you should probably know that your ability to spend or not spend money is the same thing that's currently screwing our capitalistic country over because people are scared shiitless to spend a dime on anything.... and if that continues our economy will fail...
Is that last sentence not applying to the USA as if you're saying America has no crooked politician or am I reading that wrong?
Socialism is a government that is trusted to distribute the taxpayer's moneys more than capitalism. It is big government. The very definition of socialism, and the liberals' drive towards socialism, is to increase the size and scope of the government beyond what the current capitalist system has. If all politicians are crooks, which I think we can agree on, then kindly explain to me why the fuuck give those crooks MORE power and MORE of our money? In capitalism, a lot of those functions rest in the hands of private industry, be it a company like Kraft, or the Coca Cola company, or McDonalds. There is a very big check on private industry -- if a company fuucks up, it goes out of business and gets replaced by companies that take its market share. Socialism retards that because the industries get bailed out for being incompetent -- and true to form, it is Obama, in his socialist buttfuucking, that is bailing out $hit companies that should be allowed to die.
Take Ford for example. There are people on this forum from Detroit, and they had a nice long discussion about how Ford workers get drunk on the assembly line, (that is, while making cars,) they cannot be fired due to their union, and Obama is now giving those retards taxpayer money to bail them out from their own incompetence. Ford in the United States is widely considered a second-rate car manufacturer, and only the die-hard "buy American" people are buying from them at this point, instead of Toyota, Honda, etc. Ford and Obama is what you'll get from socialism, not Ford going bankrupt and being replaced by companies that know how to do their job. Thank you, but keep your socialism in Sweden, and you can take Ford there while you're at it.
America's education system is #1, not Sweden. I don't know where you get this $hit. America's K-12 blows chunks, but the COLLEGES here are so good that everyone from everywhere in the world -- be it Japan, Africa, or Europe -- wouldn't mind coming to a good American uni to complete their education. England has Oxford and Cambridge, France has the Sorbonne, Japan has the University of Tokyo. America has roughly 50 schools of that caliber, (from Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Stanford on down,) and in my uni, (Georgetown,) there WERE exchange students on programs from places like the University of Tokyo. Why would those elite students go on exchange programs to inferior schools? Put simply, if America's education is second rate, why is America the dominant force in the world's economy? What magical force is making American babies into 1st rate lawyers, doctors, businessmen, if their educational system is so bad?
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Quantact Wrote:Socialism is a government that is trusted to distribute the taxpayer's moneys more than capitalism. It is big government. The very definition of socialism, and the liberals' drive towards socialism, is to increase the size and scope of the government beyond what the current capitalist system has. If all politicians are crooks, which I think we can agree on, then kindly explain to me why the fuuck give those crooks MORE power and MORE of our money? In capitalism, a lot of those functions rest in the hands of private industry, be it a company like Kraft, or the Coca Cola company, or McDonalds. There is a very big check on private industry -- if a company fuucks up, it goes out of business and gets replaced by companies that take its market share. Socialism retards that because the industries get bailed out for being incompetent -- and true to form, it is Obama, in his socialist buttfuucking, that is bailing out $hit companies that should be allowed to die.
Take Ford for example. There are people on this forum from Detroit, and they had a nice long discussion about how Ford workers get drunk on the assembly line, (that is, while making cars,) they cannot be fired due to their union, and Obama is now giving those retards taxpayer money to bail them out from their own incompetence. Ford in the United States is widely considered a second-rate car manufacturer, and only the die-hard "buy American" people are buying from them at this point, instead of Toyota, Honda, etc. Ford and Obama is what you'll get from socialism, not Ford going bankrupt and being replaced by companies that know how to do their job. Thank you, but keep your socialism in Sweden, and you can take Ford there while you're at it.
America's education system is #1, not Sweden. I don't know where you get this $hit. America's K-12 blows chunks, but the COLLEGES here are so good that everyone from everywhere in the world -- be it Japan, Africa, or Europe -- wouldn't mind coming to a good American uni to complete their education. England has Oxford and Cambridge, France has the Sorbonne, Japan has the University of Tokyo. America has roughly 50 schools of that caliber, (from Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Stanford on down,) and in my uni, (Georgetown,) there WERE exchange students on programs from places like the University of Tokyo. Why would those elite students go on exchange programs to inferior schools? Put simply, if America's education is second rate, why is America the dominant force in the world's economy? What magical force is making American babies into 1st rate lawyers, doctors, businessmen, if their educational system is so bad?
I don't think all politicians are crooks.. and if I'm not mistaken didn't we bail out several companies that were "to big to fail" because of their supposed need in a Capitilistic market.. and didn't those same companies with their "capitaistic" power just end up letting the companies fail and running with that same money we gave them? Socialism would have allowed for control over where that money could have been spent instead of allowing the companies to just do w/e the hell they wanted...
Also idk why you keep saying "Obama" as if no other politician (Bush) has ever tried to bail out another company.. I also don't see how that is socialism considering most of that money comes from "other country" based loans and those April Taxes we pay.. it's not the money that's taken from a pay check which is where the socialist taxes come from. Also idk why your acting as if the workers are to blame for Ford failing.
Lastly please don't put words in my mouth... when a person says "one of the best" it usually means that something is high ranked.... not ranked the highest of the highest...
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finalbragade Wrote:I don't think all politicians are crooks.. and if I'm not mistaken didn't we bail out several companies that were "to big to fail" because of their supposed need in a Capitilistic market.. and didn't those same companies with their "capitaistic" power just end up letting the companies fail and running with that same money we gave them? Socialism would have allowed for control over where that money could have been spent instead of allowing the companies to just do w/e the hell they wanted...
There are two types of politicians: crooks that resign in disgrace due to scandal, and crooks that haven't been caught yet. The school I went to, Georgetown, is the best of three universities in Washington, DC, and resultantly, every wannabe senator ends up going there if his grades are good. A politician is two-faced: on the one hand he appears friendly and kind to make himself presentable to the voters, and on the other hand he is brutal, manipulative, and ruthless, because this is what it takes to rise to power in either the Dems or the Reps, and that is what it takes to do the backstabbing, compromises, and strong-arming that is inherent in being a politician in the first place. A genuine, kind, well-meaning person CANNOT be an effective politician, because combining the two faces I am talking about is inherently fake and sociopathic. The President of any country can send thousands of men to die, (Bush,) and then sleep soundly at night. The better a politician is, the worse a human being he is. Jimmy Carter, widely known for being a wonderful person who has done tons for the community since retiring from the Presidency, is also seen as one of the shiittiest Presidents in US history. He was too nice, and the commies ran him over. He was replaced by Reagan, who basically had no soul, and Reagan was a WONDERFUL president, because he had the personality for it. Reagan also had no friends.
Quote:Also idk why you keep saying "Obama" as if no other politician (Bush) has ever tried to bail out another company.. I also don't see how that is socialism considering most of that money comes from "other country" based loans and those April Taxes we pay.. it's not the money that's taken from a pay check which is where the socialist taxes come from. Also idk why your acting as if the workers are to blame for Ford failing.
Bush was a $hitty president, as I have said repeatedly even in this thread. However, he enjoyed a better economy, and his worst buttfuuck into the American people were Medicare Part D and the Iraq War. Only 8 months into office, Obama is being fairly competitive with those two spending-wise, and he has at least 3.something more years to spend spend spend more.
Quote:Lastly please don't put words in my mouth... when a person says "one of the best" it usually means that something is high ranked.... not ranked the highest of the highest...
You're right, I misread your bit on the education. Sorries about that.
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