Dexless DW vs. dexless NW

i made both

I just want the DW for FJ + brandish. That was sexy when i played on a PS xD

NW to get away from my TB cause the TB is basically a marauder and it got really old really fast. no new flashy skill until 3rd job while every other class gets one =(

i made both

I just want the DW for FJ + brandish. That was sexy when i played on a PS xD

NW to get away from my TB cause the TB is basically a marauder and it got really old really fast. no new flashy skill until 3rd job while every other class gets one =(

Tell that to a DW. Although we get soul runner and Soul Blade, we dont get any 3rd job sill in our Second job as all the other Cugnus do. (I'm not complaining). In the other hand, Lightning charge is one of the best looking skills IMO.

Tell that to a DW. Although we get soul runner and Soul Blade, we dont get any 3rd job sill in our Second job as all the other Cugnus do. (I'm not complaining). In the other hand, Lightning charge is one of the best looking skills IMO.

Someone wanna translate this...?

Someone wanna translate this...?

For what I got, he said he doesn't like TB's because they dont have any flashy skills until 3rd Job. But they get Energy Charge and Energy Blast, while a DW gets no Crusader's 3rd job skills. It's not really related to the main topic though.

Both are only good for one purpose:

Buffing your fucking main.

You're forgetting the most important factor: opinion. Anyway, the s[SIZE="2"]h[/SIZE]it about NOT bossing/damage/Hp and such. Can't people care about that stuff without b[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]tches getting on their case? ;-; You prefer NW? Ok, fine with me. You hate/dislike DW? The don't lecture people.

-> I like to play my DW.

You missed my point. Don't try to make things worse.

Fact: NWs have low HP.
Fact: NWs can't boss for s'hit because of their low HP.
Fact: DWs are the exact opposite of the above facts.



Doing what? You're not training. You can't PQ. Questing for the majority is not fun. What the f'uck else are you going to do for fun as a 120 cygnus?

I would use my Cygnus at lv120 as 'att buff', not for bossing anyway. 0_O

It's not bashing; OP asked us why we prefer one Cygnus over another, and a Night Walker's garbage HP and limited attacks are the first thing to come to mind. Night Walkers cannot kill bosses, and that sucks. If anyone disagrees, then they're just trying too hard to enjoy their class.

PQs


Facts are facts. HB can do a lot. Soloing bosses is not my favorite fun-party in MS. I prefer to party kill such bosses.
I'm currently doing LPQ. Meaning I'm killing Alishar, a boss. I'm killing one. Omg - hype. Soon I'll do OPQ, Papa Pixie anyone. If I want to kill only high level bosses, then I prefer to take them down with a party. I know you meant high level bosses, but the low level content is IMO the places where no one cares about my sucky damage and go hoaring on me, because I'm not rich or because I don't have a high level main.

thanks for your opinion guys.

so as for raw damage, is it true that dexless dawn warrior will do more DPS than a dexless night walker on a single monster, both at lv 120?

thanks for your opinion guys.

so as for raw damage, is it true that dexless dawn warrior will do more DPS than a dexless night walker on a single monster, both at lv 120?

At bosses Dawn Warriors won't deal more raw damage than a Nightwalker once Sharp Eyes is given, but how many people will Sharp Eyes to a level 120 character when level 150+ counterparts are available? In other words, by themselves Dawn Warriors are more powerful than a Nightwalker. Even with Sharp Eyes, Dawn Warriors can keep up, like 80-90% of a Nightwalker's damage?

Let's not forget how grossly powerful a Dawn Warrior's mobbing abilities are. Avenger, like Greg said, is crap mob damage. Brandish is SEX whether hitting 1 monster or three, and Soul Driver makes Avenger deflate in e-peen size.

I would use my Cygnus at lv120 as 'att buff', not for bossing anyway. 0_O

PQs =D

Using your Cygnus at 120 for an attack buff is straying from your original point of having...fun.:f6:

And PQs...there's not a lot of PQs one can do as a 120 Cygnus. Henesys Party Quest...guild quests....yeah.

Either way i'm fully enjoying all my cygnus characters even though i have yet to get one past 50.

I might use them to boss too depending which ones. How bad is the damage reduction by level for the DW and NW at Zak? lol

Either way i'm fully enjoying all my cygnus characters even though i have yet to get one past 50.

I might use them to boss too depending which ones. How bad is the damage reduction by level for the DW and NW at Zak? lol

20%

You guys care too much about HP. What do you need HP for at 120? You can take a hit from Zak quite easily at 120, and Pap/Pianus fine with HB.

Edit: Oh pomegranate double post

Using your Cygnus at 120 for an attack buff is straying from your original point of having...fun.:f6:

And PQs...there's not a lot of PQs one can do as a 120 Cygnus. Henesys Party Quest...guild quests....yeah.

No. I enjoy the way to lv120

I have both, and I must say I prefer my Dawn Warrior. Neither are dexless, mind (though both are low dex, NW will go back to normal when i can't abuse my maple weapons anymore w/o spending mad money) but I enjoy what both bring to the table.

Dawn is just an excellant overall character with everything that I hated about playing a warrior fixed. Night Walker is just my Watermelon mule and I plan to use as broken glasses mule as well. Flash Jump early is nice, but that's about it. I suppose since they are on seperate accounts I could combine their party buffs for each other to make traveling and leveling easier/cheaper some, but that's about it...

No. I enjoy the way to lv120

And what about people who want a character that isn't useless once you get to 120? At least a DW can solo bosses very easily. In fact, I can solo pap faster than some 150+ heroes. What can a night walker do? Get 1 hit killed by every decent boss in existence?

And what about people who want a character that isn't useless once you get to 120? At least a DW can solo bosses very easily. In fact, I can solo pap faster than some 150+ heroes. What can a night walker do? Get 1 hit killed by every decent boss in existence?

You shouldn't be complaining, since you claim to become lv150 really easy @LolBasil.

Like I said before: there is also partying. O wait, people are too good for that? Many people claim to still play because of their friends, but partying with them is bad? Plus I prefer to get x% on a different char, then 0% on a lv120 char.

Plus avoiding bombs at Pap is pretty awesome. It makes the fight harder, thus more exciting/ more fun.

NW = Without HB + lag = Dead at Papulatus.

NW = Without HB + lag = Dead at Papulatus.

DW = 1/1 + lag + another attack= Dead at Papulatus.

DW = 1/1 + lag + another attack= Dead at Papulatus.

At least the Dawn Warrior can take a hit from Pap's 2nd body. Can't say the same for Nightwalkers.

NW = Without HB + lag = Dead at Papulatus.
NW = Without HB + Body touch = Dead at Papulatus.
NW = Without HB + Bomb = Dead at Papulatus.
NW = Without HB + Stun + touch = Dead at Papulatus.

Lag can kill anyone. Touching pap's body or a bomb doesn't kill Dawn Warriors.

It makes the fight harder, thus more exciting/ more fun.

You could also say this about soloing.