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Teppi Wrote:is it me or nexon's trying to be more like private server? using skills and buffs from other class is like rebirths in private server....
I'm not sure if the Phantom would be related to rebirths at all, more a take on the "jack of all trades" class you see in D&D, and...wherever else that's been used in.
Either way, take inspiration from where you can get it I guess. WoW's certainly an example of that working out well in the end. Though they have gotten rather lazy about it, the Deathwing raidboss is copy-paste from a competing mmo Rift*. I really rather like when games that patch a lot and evolve over time take things from each other, provided they actually adopt it and make it their own. MS already has multiple features inspired/taken/whatever off other games, as well as things commonly found in private server environments. It's not so much "trying to be something else", more like "taking the good parts to enhance your game".
*I have a feeling somebody will call bs on me if I don't post a link proving that, so here's a source, relevant bits are 28min in.
Chicocl Wrote:Why this job looks like him: ![[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRRTQDssRKNJWuvb-dJPpY...GlGivtzzvw]](http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRRTQDssRKNJWuvb-dJPpYkcbZuSDVE0m1-jAQsL0sgGlGivtzzvw)
And Aswan is the lost city in El Nath mines (the one is told in the 4th job advacement).
Oooo, that actually sounds like a place I'd like to explore at least just to check it out. Lost cities are always fun.
Also, can I guess it's that they both drive really nice cars? The hats seem really similar somehow to me, but I can't quite place why since the phantom hat looks like three birds in a science/fashion experiment gone awry.
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lorx Wrote:Oooo, that actually sounds like a place I'd like to explore at least just to check it out. Lost cities are always fun.
Also, can I guess it's that they both drive really nice cars? The hats seem really similar somehow to me, but I can't quite place why since the phantom hat looks like three birds in a science/fashion experiment gone awry.
If you watch the Tv serie White Collar, he is a thief, he is pimp, was millonaire until he got caught and now he works for the CIA (he actually put all his effort on it after a friend got shot Iirc, but at the beginning he was not very interested at first).
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god damn, another class to make.
my DrK has 55% crit rate with decent SE, add 10% crit rate from the new zerk, add 10% more (making it up, but should be around there) from the thief.
75% crit chance warrior, come at me bros.
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Well color me impressed!...on how nexon believes in ecofriendly recycling jesus christ.
Although if I still played it would be a class I'd no doubt dedicate too lol
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The Class looks kinda fun but i'd like to see it having his uniqe set of equips (all of them) so rich nabs and hackers wont have a chance to be completly OPed by having "old" luk equips (tho it's not said what stats is he using  )
the copying skill is impressive and i wonder how you atk with it (if you bind each skill on diff key -would be kinda stupid if phantoms can copy all of skills from other jobs- or if there's common key for skills  )
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My guess is that they can only steal one skill at once.
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Raph589 Wrote:My guess is that they can only steal one skill at once.
Also from only one character at once. It probably uses the mechanic of that yellow circle blacking out the screen and selecting a character on the map. Meaning it isn't random...which is pretty bad for balance imo.
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where's my rhythm based job?!
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danielcatu Wrote:where's my rhythm based job?!  Pirates hopefully? oh and inb4 Pirate Hero's name starts with L
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wouldn't it be best for phantom to copy mech? -copy mech, siege mode all the way to get all buffs possible, like shadow partner, mirror image, etc
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Teppi Wrote:wouldn't it be best for phantom to copy mech? -copy mech, siege mode all the way to get all buffs possible, like shadow partner, mirror image, etc I'm 99% sure that is impossible and that its only one skill stolen at a time.
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Daimean Wrote:I'm 99% sure that is impossible and that its only one skill stolen at a time.
Even 2 skills would be OP
Imagine shadow partner with siege mode haha
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hamad138 Wrote:Even 2 skills would be OP
Imagine shadow partner with siege mode haha
What part of "they only steal a specific predetermined skill" do you not get? They most likely won't steal buffs. Only attacks. And there isn't a gun yet, so we only assume he steals from classes that use the weapons that are in the data.
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Takebacker Wrote:What part of "they only steal a specific predetermined skill" do you not get? They most likely won't steal buffs. Only attacks. And there isn't a gun yet, so we only assume he steals from classes that use the weapons that are in the data. in the video, he gets a card when he crits. when he receives 40 cards he is able to get A RANDOM BUFF from other classes (hence the 3 dice from pirate). what im talking about is that siege mode gets 100% crit, 6 attack a time. combining that attack with the 40 cards mechanic = not hard for phantom to get all classes' buffs
taken from orangemushrom's blog
Quote:![[Image: judgement.png?w=600]](http://orangemushroom.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/judgement.png?w=600)
Phantom uses something called the Card Stack, and every critical attack recovers cards! When the Card Stack is full, you can use the skill Judgement, which consumes all the cards in the stack and chooses a random card and gives you a buff that corresponds to that card!
picture of crit getting card:
so i assumed the 40 cards are 40 buffs from all jobs
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Extra crit rate?! Yes! Excited to see how this pans out
danielcatu Wrote:where's my rhythm based job?! 
Aran? ..no? Oh.
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Phantom looks really fun to play, not that it matters with a link skill like that everyone will make one. Cant wait for the inevitable flood of Tespia vids. Im interested to see its full skill list. Looks like it will make up for the dissapointment of the pirate/thief revamp at least.
Also a new area, finally. I dont care what its like it will just be nice to have somewhere else to go.
ShiKage Wrote:Thief Hero looks terrible. Using skills from other jobs? What the f'uck is this sh'it? It's like they don't want their game to be very successful anymore and are just looking for ways to drive it deeper into the ground.
Its turned out a lot better than I was expecting. I thought it would be draw a card and hey now youre a bowmaster and just use their skills. But seeing how its just one skill at a time you steal its not that bad really since Phantom has his own skill set. I think the idea of a thief character stealing other classes skills is pretty clever.
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Teppi Wrote:in the video, he gets a card when he crits. when he receives 40 cards he is able to get A RANDOM BUFF from other classes (hence the 3 dice from pirate). what im talking about is that siege mode gets 100% crit, 6 attack a time. combining that attack with the 40 cards mechanic = not hard for phantom to get all classes' buffs
taken from orangemushrom's blog
picture of crit getting card:
![[Image: skill-stealing.png?w=600]](http://orangemushroom.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/skill-stealing.png?w=600)
so i assumed the 40 cards are 40 buffs from all jobs
He cant steal skills from mechs and vipers.
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What I'd like is for him as far as stats go is for whatever class he's copying, he also takes their stat calculations. So he has so basically spread his ap across all 4 stats, making him weak as hell but being able to switch to anything he wants.
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Andross Wrote:What I'd like is for him as far as stats go is for whatever class he's copying, he also takes their stat calculations. So he has so basically spread his ap across all 4 stats, making him weak as hell but being able to switch to anything he wants. We're talking about the Thief Hero remember...and if his ap was split across all 4 how would they be able to wear normal equips early on?.
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Codex Wrote:He cant steal skills from mechs and vipers. how do u know for sure? sure so far their are only 4 spirit weapons in data but they haven't released the class yet so the possibility of adding in those weapons would be high. besides being able to steal skills from a few classes but not the others would be quite stupid
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