BattleshipCannon Vs Demolition

The problem is that Barrage can't reach several parts of Horntail.
Which is what this argument seems to be revolving around now.

Which is why i said they're on the level of shadowers at times.

I never EVER said fist was weak. I do remember hearing that fist matches it's DPM with SB, but as of right now i don't know how that's possible to assume because i have no idea how to calculate fists damage. O_o Sounds right though.

This is incredibly true.

In all reality, Fist is only a bit weaker than demolition; probably 20k difference or so. Pretty much...if you have 6 vipers in a party...14 mins of godmode. I know this probably wouldn't be a situation at Zak/HT, but come on, you seriously can't say that 14 minutes of Demoing would put a pirate at the level of a Paladin...

Fist is not that weak yes, but there's no way in HELL it's that strong.

I never DID say that 14 minutes of demo would put them at the level of a paladin. Read pls. I recall saying (in terms of rank if that wasn't already clear) that the fact that they're not demoing all the time brings them below hero's damage and around paladin/shadower/MM damage.

These thoughts are very true. If you use Fist correctly (assuming it attacks every 2 seconds like demo), your DPS shouldn't go too far. For 2 min it will be incredible damage, meaning 400%x8 which equals to 3200%. This happens every 2 seconds. So, in 2 min, you acheive (asuming you don't get hit often) 192,000%, 96,000% a minute.
Fist is 230%x6, meaning 1380%. 1380% damage per hit, 60 hits, in the 2 minute cool-down is 82,800%, or 41,400% a minute. The average % a minute for Buccaneers, therefore, is [96,000%+41,400%]/2, meaning 68,700%.

So, the average percentage a minute is 68,700%. No way close to that of a shadower.

1) That'd be nice, if fist's damage was purely based off %. The last two hits are significantly higher than the first four in a way that we can't calculate how much damage it does.

2) I don't think you're taking into account that fist has a fairly long animation (not as long as demo but still pretty long), has that 2 second delay, and that it moves you forward. The last one is worth noting because you have to constantly reposition aside from the existing repositioning from attacks.

I wouldn't try to calculate fists damage if i were you. >_> Not until we figure it out anyway.

Edit: What's average percent damage for shadowers both for the SB -> SB -> BS method and the assassinate -> BS method anyway? (or is it just assassinate at extremely high levels?)