2011-05-24, 04:00 AM
White Wrote:Ok, that's true, if PB moves outside the range of Dark Flare, then Dark Flare won't do damage to it. All this discussion about the skill has me now confused, what is the issue you're bringing up? That because other classes don't get hit for lots of damage all the time, Dark Flare isn't a very useful skill? I don't think the intention of Dark Flare was to do amazing damage. In fact, based on the skill chart, since it does 1300% damage, I think Nexon knew that players wouldn't be taking lots of damage and thus the skill would need to have a high percent to even be implemented.
No, this portion of the argument I've presented this whole time isn't about the "usefulness" of Dark Flare (which you happen to be thinking it's about). This potion of the argument is that Dark Flare doesn't work well in conjunction with the other aspects of the NL class, the majority of other classes, and doesn't work well with the nature of the boss itself.
White Wrote:Considering NL's already have high end damage, improving synergy to the point it appears you want it, would make a class that would be heads over other all other classes.How many times do I need to repeat it. Having high end damage doesn't excuse NL's from having skills that compliment each other.
White Wrote:NL's do, in fact, have good damage. When three different NL's that I boss with are hitting over 300k's on their bottom stars on bosses that have 60% (!!!!!) PDR, I would definitely claim they have good damage. I routinely see NL's at lower tier bosses like zak or scar/targa that do more damage than similarly funded other classes (any). I assure you, NL's do have good damage. Perhaps you are forgetting to factor in their ability to just not take damage, and thus not have to deal with status ailments that land due to getting hit (think about those pillars that fall in zak and stun, or the lightning that strikes and causes seal at zak, or the purple tornado at grandpa that seals). If you dodge those hits, you don't need to possibly repot (slow down dpm), and especially hit that all-cure button which isn't usable until after the seal icon shows up over your head (frustrating at ht especially).300k's on bosses with 60% PDRate with just NL buffs. I've went and checked the math. NL's would need 300-ish W.ATK with 21% gear on everything tier 3, 14% gear on tier 2's, and being level 200 Dexless to reach 295,807 damage on a maximum star. That's not the class being strong. That's the players playing those NL's having lots of high-end gear. However, that's a discussion for another time.
EDIT: Also, Shifter does not guard status effects against damage skills that carry them. Zakum pillars still stun thieves if shifter activates. And to my knowledge, this never got a fix.
White Wrote:If I said that I considered Dark Flare to be a good skill (I don't remember, don't think so though) then that was a mistake. I see now that Dark Flare is not a good skill. It's a usable skill. It's not a bad skill. But it's not a good skill either. It, like many many many other skills in this game, are simple passable and augment the class but are nothing superb.
As for skills that do damage not needing synergy, I don't think I said that. I believe I said something similar that you have now twisted.
No, it was your attitude that "bam, you're getting free damage, stop complaining" attitude that it was in reference to. No words were twisted in those regards.

