[1.2.381] The Wind

You failed to grasp the concept I presented. Here, I'll present it once again. The fact that PB, planted or not, is a non-stationary boss. Yes, Dark Flare will work if he's within range and kept within that range. However, in the event that is impossible due to lack of rushers, movement skills, etc. Dark Flare retains its inability to function the moment PB is outside of range.

Ok, that's true, if PB moves outside the range of Dark Flare, then Dark Flare won't do damage to it. All this discussion about the skill has me now confused, what is the issue you're bringing up? That because other classes don't get hit for lots of damage all the time, Dark Flare isn't a very useful skill? I don't think the intention of Dark Flare was to do amazing damage. In fact, based on the skill chart, since it does 1300% damage, I think Nexon knew that players wouldn't be taking lots of damage and thus the skill would need to have a high percent to even be implemented.

To be honest, I'd say the skill does have synergy in the respect that it works well with some classes. Just because it doesn't work as well with certain classes doesn't mean it doesn't have synergy.

I didn't mention a single word of needing the class to be strong. In fact, I was one of the ones against it. However, you asked what defined a good class. I responded a class that maintains synergy within itself, not a class full of mish mash skills that do not compliment each other. Instead, you twisted my argument (and your own) to a point where you concluded I need Night Lords to be a class with perfect synergy with high-end damage.

Considering NL's already have high end damage, improving synergy to the point it appears you want it, would make a class that would be heads over other all other classes.

Furthermore, a class that has good synergy with itself doesn't necessarily make it strong. A class that has good synergy with itself means its skills don't become obsolete nor will it have filler skills with little to no functionality. This is not a hard concept to grasp.

While it's true that just because a class has good synergy with itself and other classes doesn't necessarily make it a strong class. If you add good synergy to a class that already has good damage, then you have a class with good damage and good synergy. To be clear, NL's have good damage currently.

Dealing lots of damage (which Night Lords do not have) does not warrant a lack of synergy. That's just bad game design. And I've said it before, I'll say it again until you can finally grasp the concept. A class with good synergy within its skills does not mean it will deal massive amounts of damage.

I didn't say dealing lots of damage warrants a lack of synergy. Look at my posts! I've said that Nexon should improve the synergy of NL's! However, i've added the stipulation that I do not believe Nexon should increase the damage that NL's do while buffing their synergy and removing useless skills and added useful ones.

NL's do, in fact, have good damage. When three different NL's that I boss with are hitting over 300k's on their bottom stars on bosses that have 60% (!!!!!) PDR, I would definitely claim they have good damage. I routinely see NL's at lower tier bosses like zak or scar/targa that do more damage than similarly funded other classes (any). I assure you, NL's do have good damage. Perhaps you are forgetting to factor in their ability to just not take damage, and thus not have to deal with status ailments that land due to getting hit (think about those pillars that fall in zak and stun, or the lightning that strikes and causes seal at zak, or the purple tornado at grandpa that seals). If you dodge those hits, you don't need to possibly repot (slow down dpm), and especially hit that all-cure button which isn't usable until after the seal icon shows up over your head (frustrating at ht especially).

I'll give you a real time example. Just this evening I went on a guild cwkpq run and I asked to solo Margana (the mage). I calculated out my damage and I was hitting ~952k damage/second on stew, mw30 and concentrate (only on for half the solo). Now, if I get hit at a boss, I lose like what, half a second? Boom, 500k damage lost. Then, consider it's a stun from zak, how much damage do I miss out on at that point? Or say it's a seal like at HT, how long does it take for me to use an all-cure and start back up fighting? I'm missing out on millions and millions of damage over the course of a reasonable boss battle, whereas NL's, not being hit nearly as often, don't lose out on that damage.

Also, Shadowers are hardly weak. In fact, they hold positions at the top of the charts. However, this isn't the topic of discussion.

My personal experience says otherwise but we'll have to agree to disagree as you're right, that's not for this thread.

Sure, look here.

Because we've had the luxury of damage for 6-8 years, you insinuated that we no longer deserve it. Unless you mean something else by that statement, clear it up.

Ok, i'll attempt to clear it up. When I say, "Because you've had [the luxury of being retardedly strong] for 6-8 years depending on where you live." that is not me saying that you now must be weak garbage. That is me saying, it's not unreasonable for you to no longer be retardedly strong. If I say the ground is not very soft and supple, that is not me saying that the ground is exceptionally hard and coarse. I'm saying that overall it's totally fine for NL's to not be at the top. I think it's about time. NOTE: That's not me saying that NL's should be at the bottom.

Furthermore, I'm not frustrated at the class (otherwise, I'd have left it long ago). However, the presented items of notice I've brought to light are issues, problems, and downfalls to the class I've known long ago and realize could have been done better. What I've shown to you were faults in why the skills don't work well with each other. What you've shown in your responses is that so long as they do damage (crap damage or non-crap damage), they don't need synergy, and under the condition that damage is dealt, it's considered to be a good skill. That's the problem.

If I said that I considered Dark Flare to be a good skill (I don't remember, don't think so though) then that was a mistake. I see now that Dark Flare is not a good skill. It's a usable skill. It's not a bad skill. But it's not a good skill either. It, like many many many other skills in this game, are simple passable and augment the class but are nothing superb.

As for skills that do damage not needing synergy, I don't think I said that. I believe I said something similar that you have now twisted.