[1.2.381] The Wind

I didn't say it was a stationary boss, I said that PB is pinned to the right and the ranged classes stand in a certain spot, which is where you can, and I always see, Dark Flare planted. Also, we apparently have different ideas of spammed attacks. HT and CHT do spam attacks in my experience and opinion.

You failed to grasp the concept I presented. Here, I'll present it once again. The fact here is that PB, pinned or not, is a non-stationary boss. Yes, Dark Flare will work if he's within range and kept within that range. However, in the event that is impossible due to lack of rushers, movement skills, etc. Dark Flare retains its inability to function the moment PB is outside of range.

More feistiness. I don't particularly appreciate the bit at the end. Nevertheless, it appears that you're arguing both. You want BOTH strong skills AND great synergy. One without the other is a great source of frustration. Choose a new class that you feel fulfills your wants, instead of whining. Be proactive.

I didn't mention a single word of needing the class to be strong. In fact, I was one of the ones against it. However, you asked what defined a good class. I responded a class that maintains synergy within itself, not a class full of mish mash skills that do not compliment each other. Instead, you twisted my argument (and your own) to a point where you concluded I need Night Lords to be a class with perfect synergy with high-end damage.

Furthermore, a class that has good synergy with itself doesn't necessarily make it strong. A class that has good synergy with itself means its skills don't become obsolete nor will it have filler skills with little to no functionality. This is not a hard concept to grasp.

Each class has pros and cons, that should be mutually agreeable. NL's have lots of damage, and less synergy. Go play a Shad, more synergy but notably worse damage. Or better yet, play a Bucc, lots of synergy and abysmal damage.

Dealing lots of damage (which Night Lords do not have) does not warrant a lack of synergy. That's just bad game design. And I've said it before, I'll say it again until you can finally grasp the concept. A class with good synergy within its skills does not mean it will deal massive amounts of damage.

Also, Shadowers are hardly weak. In fact, they hold positions at the top of the charts. However, this isn't the topic of discussion.

I didn't say 'your class should now suck'. I don't think anyone did. Who said that? Quotes please. If you look at all the posts i've made, you'll notice that none of them say NL's will or do suck. I've said several times that NL's are plenty strong enough, and that they have useless skills, and that i'm totally supportive of NL's getting more skills that enhance their synergy, as long as it's done in a way that doesn't amplify their damage, because that aspect of NL's is fine as in.

Sure, look here.

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The existence of AFA already makes BM retardedly strong. Why aren't NL's allowed the same luxury?

Because you've had it for 6-8 years depending on where you live?

Because we've had the luxury of damage for 6-8 years, you insinuated that we no longer deserve it. If you mean something else by that statement, clear it up.

Furthermore, I'm not frustrated at the class (otherwise, I'd have left it long ago). However, the presented items of notice I've brought to light are issues, problems, and downfalls to the class I've known long ago and realize could have been done better. What I've shown to you were faults in why the skills don't work well with each other. What you've shown in your responses is that so long as they do damage (crap damage or non-crap damage), they don't need synergy, and under the condition that damage is dealt, it's considered to be a good skill. That's the problem.