2011-02-27, 01:46 PM
@froznite...First of all, if you want to talk about logical fallacies you might want to take a good hard look in the mirror. I have stated many times that if you want to argue/debate this issue then you should at least read the bill before doing so. You stated directly that you not only didnt read the bill but that you didnt care to read it. So if you dont want to read the bill then you have no place to piss and moan about something that you know little to nothing about. The fact is that the media simply does not report every detail. So if you want all of the detais then you need to go to the source to find out what the problem is. I dont rely on just media stories. Yes I read them but I also look up thing that they claim too. In many cases I find that they have only reported a little piece of the puzzle. That make the picture unclear. That what I am talking about when I say to do actual research. I dont just look up other media stories I also look up the key points in order to find out the truth. That is all I am after.
I am sorry but unions do not run the community. You can take a long look throughout the U.S. and see that. Not every community is unionized. I know quite a few people who have worked in unions, most of them say that the unions are not worth it. Many have left unions in favor of non-union jobs. This bill is not so anti-union as lead to believe. It does not get rid of collective bagaining entirely, rather it reduces its ability to force better than market wages/benefits. The actual amount of pay the worker looses is miniscule and is being redistributed into their pension and health care, something every single other person has to do. What it does do is offset that reduction in take home pay by elliminating the need for paying union dues. Under this bill, union dues are no longer required. Also it makes it so that the unions have to recertify each year. That makes it easier for those who dont like the unions to get out of it. This is the kicker, none of this takes affect until the end of the current contracts. So where is the problem? Well, quite simply, it is with the union bosses themselves. Because not instead of collecting fat checks they will have to earn what the rest of the union earns. I stated this in an earlier post as well, the union boss for the teachers union alone makes 450k a year. That is paid by the taxpayer. The one thing that you seem to not understand is that no matter what, the government is not going to get screwed. If they do, then we all do. Why? Because we pay the government. It is our money that makes the government able to function. When I see figures like that, it makes me sick. That is almost twice what the president makes per year. So dont tell me that they do that much work because I am certain that the president does a hell of a lot more for much less pay.
I am sorry but unions do not run the community. You can take a long look throughout the U.S. and see that. Not every community is unionized. I know quite a few people who have worked in unions, most of them say that the unions are not worth it. Many have left unions in favor of non-union jobs. This bill is not so anti-union as lead to believe. It does not get rid of collective bagaining entirely, rather it reduces its ability to force better than market wages/benefits. The actual amount of pay the worker looses is miniscule and is being redistributed into their pension and health care, something every single other person has to do. What it does do is offset that reduction in take home pay by elliminating the need for paying union dues. Under this bill, union dues are no longer required. Also it makes it so that the unions have to recertify each year. That makes it easier for those who dont like the unions to get out of it. This is the kicker, none of this takes affect until the end of the current contracts. So where is the problem? Well, quite simply, it is with the union bosses themselves. Because not instead of collecting fat checks they will have to earn what the rest of the union earns. I stated this in an earlier post as well, the union boss for the teachers union alone makes 450k a year. That is paid by the taxpayer. The one thing that you seem to not understand is that no matter what, the government is not going to get screwed. If they do, then we all do. Why? Because we pay the government. It is our money that makes the government able to function. When I see figures like that, it makes me sick. That is almost twice what the president makes per year. So dont tell me that they do that much work because I am certain that the president does a hell of a lot more for much less pay.