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Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - FrozNlite - 2011-02-17 http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/02/16/wisconsin.budget/index.html CNN Wrote:(CNN) -- Furor over a bill that would strip Wisconsin public employees of most of their collective bargaining rights and have them pay dramatically more for benefits drew at least 10,000 protesters to the state Capitol on Wednesday and forced the cancellation of classes in one large school district because of a teacher sick-out. An awesome NY Times slideshow: http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2011/02/16/us/WISCONSIN-6.html I'm living and contributing in the middle of this as an executive board member of our College Democrats of Madison chapter. Things are intense here. I'd be happy to report as much as people would like. Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - Mike - 2011-02-17 Sweet. Anything big planned for the days ahead? Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - Rick - 2011-02-17 What is your proposed alternative to combat your state's bad financial situation? Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - FrozNlite - 2011-02-17 Mike Wrote:Sweet. Anything big planned for the days ahead? Let's just say I have never received as many Facebook event invitations in one week. The bill was announced Friday, protesting began Monday, and is expected to continue going full steam as it has through tomorrow. Tonight is the second night in a row thousands are sleeping at the capitol in order to testify as part of a citizen filibuster of the bill. I slept there last night. It was awesome, but roughed up my whole day today. Rick Wrote:What is your proposed alternative to combat your state's bad financial situation? If I can find the news article again, it would be to rework financial structuring. There was some article I read yesterday about how the governor himself already stated financial restructuring would cover $165 million of the $167 million that needs to be covered. There's a lot more I could say, but I need to go do pomegranate if I still want to be on top of my studies and protest tomorrow. Bleh. I'll respond more later if people have other questions. Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - Rick - 2011-02-17 Well, as long as you're not protesting without a valid alternative. People who do that really piss me off. Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - Anonymous Moose - 2011-02-17 Any sign of the National Guard yet? http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/53725/wisconsin-governor-scott-walker-to-deploy-national-guard-against-unions-a-homegrown-mubarak/ Aside from that, I'm not an expert on Wisconson and that is your business, but what I oppose here and what I have a strong opinion on is that the military should never be used on the people it is meant to protect. Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - BitchenCamero - 2011-02-17 FrozNlite Wrote:If I can find the news article again, it would be to rework financial structuring. There was some article I read yesterday about how the governor himself already stated financial restructuring would cover $165 million of the $167 million that needs to be covered. This issue that state goverments are having is a tough one for me to take a hard stance on. Currently, I believe that the financial restructuring that you are talking about will only fix the issue for the short term. States are going to have to make really tough budget cuts to solve thier budget issues for the long term. There needs to be a combination of financial restructuring and reasonable cuts in state employee benifits. IMO state employee pension plans are crazy. Hardly any public companies these days offer pension plans, so I think the states are behind the times with pension benifit reform. Like I said, this is a really tough issue. Cutting benifits will negatively affect many people which no one wants to see. With all that being said, I admire you for protesting for what you believe! Keep up the fight. Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - Stereo - 2011-02-17 You know what else solves budgeting issues? Raising taxes... Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - FrozNlite - 2011-02-17 @AnonymousMoose: No sign of them yet. That's definitely the most chilling aspect of this entire debacle. To clarify for others, our governor also said on Friday that, basically, if vital public employees to various communities went on mass strikes in opposition to the passage of the bill, if it passes, he would use the National Guard to "maintain order." Because clearly stripping working class citizens of their rights in the workplace and then forcing them continue their jobs under threat of arrest or worse is democracy at its finest. @peachenCamero: The main issue here is the assault on the rights in the work place of public employees. As Obama said yesterday when he addressed the tensions in Wisconsin, this bill appears to be an attempt to disrupt unions. He added that in times like these people need to come to terms with "hard financial realities," and provided an anecdote about his two year salary freeze for federal employees. That's a viable, long-term option for dealing with employees. Stripping them of rights they've had for over 50 years is not. Such a fix would be short term as well, as in the long run you risk massive issues, such as, to name a few, working professionals quitting their jobs and leaving the state. Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - Anonymous Moose - 2011-02-17 Stereo Wrote:You know what else solves budgeting issues? Raising taxes... Taxing people that are already barely able to make ends meet isnt exactly the best idea. Sure, you might be able to get some more money into the state at first, but that wont last long. Taxes, when too high, choke the economy. Then some people that are living paycheck to paycheck might be pulled into a spiral of debt from the increased taxes or those people might simply stop spending as much money. It'll hurt the economy, people's lives, and result in potentially less tax revenue. What most states need to do is cut spending. Although, that brings the question of "what should we cut?" Some of us might simply have to bite the bullet and give up some luxuries we once had. That's life. Although maybe not if we cut the right programs and cut the right forms of spending. Now, what to cut should be up to the citizens of Wisconson, but I'm certain you could easily find some obscene bullpomegranate to cut. Just looking at governments, they tend to overpay on everything (I'm thinking of how the Feds might pay a $1000 per chair...). One step would obviously be to frugal and force the government to not overpay. Then of course, we need to watch out for governments paying for private interests. For example, it would probably be best to oppose building private sports stadiums with tax payer money. Now, I dont know exactly what sorts of bull goes on in Wisconson, but I'm certain the government is wasting money. Now, back to the proposal of cutting benefits of workers. This is the one thing I can say for certain. The governer and the congress of Wisconson should be willing to cut their own benefits before they cut other people's benefits. In fact, since they want to cut teacher benefits, I think that they should all have to work in a building similar to that of a school, with similar funding to a school and work at desks commonly used by high schoolers before they cut school related funding. Anyway, looks like RT has some video coverage of the event. [video=youtube;TrRN9UWgISE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrRN9UWgISE&feature=player_embedded[/video] Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - FrozNlite - 2011-02-17 That footage is old, like from Tuesday. I recognize the union semi-truck on one of the outside streets from that afternoon (which also means I'm somewhere in the middle of the ground floor rotunda in the first few seconds). pomegranate's gotten more intense since then: thousands more protesting, people sitting in on all levels to barricade the senate chamber doors, etc. The police are awesome and on our side, though. The Republican legislators tried leaving for lunch and asked for a police escort, and the police refused. Instead, they've been handing out brats to protesters outside. Also, at 11:45 am CST the Democratic senators left the state, effectively shutting down the state senate by preventing quorum. In response, Governor Scott Walker sent state troopers after them. Which, of course, has made all protesters here that much more riled up. It's insane. Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - WillDaSnail - 2011-02-17 FrozNlite Wrote:Also, at 11:45 am CST the Democratic senators left the state, effectively shutting down the state senate by preventing quorum. In response, Governor Scott Walker sent state troopers after them. Which, of course, has made all protesters here that much more riled up. It's insane. I just read that on CNN. Boy, what a dumbf'uck of a governor Wisconsin has. >_> (excuse my swearing) At least Jerry Brown, governor of California, is dealing with our budget issues by taking a step-by-step approach, not a rash, one-shot solution. Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - Anonymous Moose - 2011-02-17 WillDaSnail Wrote:I just read that on CNN. Boy, what a dumbf'uck of a governor Wisconsin has. >_> (excuse my swearing) No one minds. That governer deserves it. And if that footage is old, I'll attempt to find more recent footage. I just recently began looking into this issue. Edit: I just hope we dont get another Kent State shooting. Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - FrozNlite - 2011-02-17 A Kent State repeat is my fear as well. However, thankfully, no federal forces have shown up, and all state police are on our side. I just read from friends still at the capitol that the state police refused to hunt down and extradite the senators, with local police, again, being awesome like I described above. And no worries about the recent footage. There's so much to sort through you can just type appropriate keyword in YouTube and a lot will pop up. This is a good video to start with for some footage: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2011/02/17/nr.wisconsin.dems.skip.vote.cnn.html Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - RedRaven16 - 2011-02-17 sigh why does walker have to be stupid? I'm currently hating where i live Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - WillDaSnail - 2011-02-17 FrozNlite Wrote:A Kent State repeat is my fear as well. If the governor even dares to do that...he's screwed. For good. Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - Alley - 2011-02-17 Why don't they just raise taxes and raise the amount of taxes wealthy people pay? Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - Cyadd - 2011-02-17 I wish I could be there, just for the sense of being apart of something. I really hope you guys pull through and get a good governor. Our's doesn't seem too bright yet. Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - Kurtle - 2011-02-17 Alley Wrote:Why don't they just raise taxes and raise the amount of taxes wealthy people pay? Have you ever taken basic economics? Surely you must know that taxing is not the answer to all government money questions. And over-taxing the wealthy can have extremely detrimental effects on the economy, plus it's lolWisconsin, what wealthy? Take a look at the Laffer Curve-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve
Mass Protests Over WI Governor's Controversial Budget Repair Bill - Riyuran - 2011-02-18 I attend a Wisconsin public high school, so this has been the topic of discussion all week. All my teachers are pretty angry about it, and quite a few of them have attended protests. I live near Milwaukee, so as intense as it is here, I'm guessing it's exponentially crazier closer to Madison... The fact that the bill does not apply to police, firefighters, and state troopers bothers me. Is Scott Walker saying those professions are more important than teachers and other labor workers? There really can be no definite proof of one's worth over another, so I think it's extremely arbitrary and unfair. This bill is blatant stripping of rights, so if passed it will definitely be challenged in the WI Supreme Court. Scott Walker is an idiot. He didn't even graduate college. >_> |