2011-02-26, 12:34 PM
Ok, you say "get your facts strait". You might want to do the same thing. Like I already stated, unions, when first conceived, were a good thing and did good things. Now many years later they are not. They dont care about the workers. They pretend to care about them only as long as the bosses of the union are still getting "their cut". Meaning as long as they dont loose any money they care about the worker.
Again, I aslo pointed out the key points of the bill. You did not even read them because you dont care. Learning the facts vs. just listening to the propoganda is far more intelligent of a thing to do. You are worried about their right to collectively bargin. Most people I know, several of whom have worked in unions, would say that while it is nice to be able to do that the unions just do help you the way they should. Unions are very self serving. Even more to the point, unions in government, is just rediculous. Who pays the government? We do, the tax payers. I dont want pay union boss saleries, especially ones that make $450k a year and dont provide any sort of service to the community as a whole. While I am on the subject of pay, do you even know what the average pay is for a teacher in wisconson? I do, its about $100k a year. Thats a bit too much. I could see maybe $70 to 75k a year but not $100k. To top it off they at present dont even pay into their own pension plans and barely pay for any of their other benefits. So who picks up the tab? The rest of the tax payers do.
As for the protesters in madison. The amount of people protesting is not even accurate. Many of the protesters do not even live in wisconson because the unions have bussed them in from other states in order to beef up the numbers. Even recently the protest organizers have asked them to go back to work. Hmmmm, I wonder why they would do that, could it be because they have seen that public opinion is not in favor of them? Probably so.
Point is, that no matter what is said, at the end of the day their is only a certain amount of money available. The unions have raped and pillaged the tax pays for years and now because of that fact the state is now forced with the reality that without ending their abilities to do just that, they will face financial ruin. Wisconson was just the first state to step up to the plate and now many have followed suit. Why? Because they are all facing major defecits. The last thing anyone wants to see is a state go bankrupt. In wisconson, the govener is just trying to save jobs. The starting figuers, if the bill is not passed, will cost 5500 employees their jobs. Thats just the starting point.
I dont what state you and your parents live in froznite, but each state has a very different economy and pay scales also vary. The cost of living in wisconson is pretty low compared to most of the U.S. You speak about how "great" unions are yet neither of your parents are union workers and I dont know if you are or not but something tells me not. You tell me to get my facts strait, but you base your information on what? What the unions say? Sorry but it sounds to me that you need to get your facts strait.
Again, I aslo pointed out the key points of the bill. You did not even read them because you dont care. Learning the facts vs. just listening to the propoganda is far more intelligent of a thing to do. You are worried about their right to collectively bargin. Most people I know, several of whom have worked in unions, would say that while it is nice to be able to do that the unions just do help you the way they should. Unions are very self serving. Even more to the point, unions in government, is just rediculous. Who pays the government? We do, the tax payers. I dont want pay union boss saleries, especially ones that make $450k a year and dont provide any sort of service to the community as a whole. While I am on the subject of pay, do you even know what the average pay is for a teacher in wisconson? I do, its about $100k a year. Thats a bit too much. I could see maybe $70 to 75k a year but not $100k. To top it off they at present dont even pay into their own pension plans and barely pay for any of their other benefits. So who picks up the tab? The rest of the tax payers do.
As for the protesters in madison. The amount of people protesting is not even accurate. Many of the protesters do not even live in wisconson because the unions have bussed them in from other states in order to beef up the numbers. Even recently the protest organizers have asked them to go back to work. Hmmmm, I wonder why they would do that, could it be because they have seen that public opinion is not in favor of them? Probably so.
Point is, that no matter what is said, at the end of the day their is only a certain amount of money available. The unions have raped and pillaged the tax pays for years and now because of that fact the state is now forced with the reality that without ending their abilities to do just that, they will face financial ruin. Wisconson was just the first state to step up to the plate and now many have followed suit. Why? Because they are all facing major defecits. The last thing anyone wants to see is a state go bankrupt. In wisconson, the govener is just trying to save jobs. The starting figuers, if the bill is not passed, will cost 5500 employees their jobs. Thats just the starting point.
I dont what state you and your parents live in froznite, but each state has a very different economy and pay scales also vary. The cost of living in wisconson is pretty low compared to most of the U.S. You speak about how "great" unions are yet neither of your parents are union workers and I dont know if you are or not but something tells me not. You tell me to get my facts strait, but you base your information on what? What the unions say? Sorry but it sounds to me that you need to get your facts strait.