FelixTM Wrote:Screw the pots, I have money! (catch the reference and win 10 points, btw)
Yugioh the Abridged Series is where I heard it.
Anyway though, I agree completely with Felix on nearly every point. I have 4 points in Inferno (I meant to have 1, that extra 3 was a mistake) and 17 points in Thrust and it's amazing. I use a Gold Nisrock like Felix, and my base speed is 139 (27 Thrust, 1 shoes, 3 overall, 8 pet). To be fair, I don't really have enough Inferno to check, but I'm quite sure I would never use Inferno anywhere for anything. All the archers I know with Inferno are sad they got it (Lachrymus) because they don't use it. I train at Newties so there are no mobs anyway.
So Felix, you actually went Phoenix eh? I remember deciding on Concentrate when I made that thread on SW, but I don't regret it. I have 22 Concentrate now and I'm working on my Phoenix now; it's currently level 6. I always thought it would be awesome for all the things you said. It's excellent for bossing and does nice damage to speed up your training. Concentrate is a more passive bonus, so I guess I don't feel as cool about it. 6 MP arrows are pretty sweet though. I can buy 2 Cider and kill two paps with Conc and them. When I go to Anego, Cider are only a breath away so I can attack her the whole time with just that and Conc. It's really pretty awesome. Totally worthless at group-bosses though.
By the way, what kind of exp do you get at peak or skeles with your setup, Felix? I used to do the big Skelegon map all the time with an HS mule and another attacker (XBish) and we both got around 1.7m an hour. However, on suggestion from a person in SW, I tried out splitting a Newtie map with him (I took the bottom and he took the middle) and we got 2m an hour. Adding a 3rd attacker at the top didn't change the exp rate at all, either. Though I'd imagine finding a Newtie map consistently in Bera is nearly impossible. Anyway, I bring it up because of how annoying Newties are for Phoenix. I really like Phoenix and I can't wait to get him to 21 but I feel that even if I did it would slow down my training at Newties, the best training I can get. I stand to the right of the leftmost newtie on the bottom and just kill everything as it spawns. Problem is that the way the Newties are spaced makes you waste quite a bit of time if you get hit, so Hawk's stun is invaluable. Give newts a shot and tell me what you think. BTW, why can't you use Phoenix at main HT? I use it all the time after the legs die; it does some pretty decent damage even at level 6.
Sorry, I digressed a bit. Inferno's potential use at a fire weak mob (those Ice-things in Time Temple) will be overshadowed by the stronger mobs or mobs with better spawn. I hear that Time Temple has another expansion that hasn't been released yet. Likely those monsters will be far more worth your time than anything in the Ice section. And besides, even if you you do get slightly better exp there (and god help you for putting up with those 30 worthless points for so long), I'm still 20+ speed faster than you all the time and I maxed MB.
I don't think I'm quite as melee of a fighter as you all claim to be. Skelegons was all about somehow dodging their lasers while killing them at the same time. I usually took the top when I went there, and my partner was quite good at killing the bottom. Spawn flooded me and my usual response is just Hurricane. If there's several on both sides, I'd probably DP both ways, throw down a Puppet, and Hurricane the side opposite Puppet. (As a sidenote, I *love* reverse jump-DPing over one of their lasers. Dodgeable attacks are fun ^_^) Even so, I wasn't afraid to play a little melee when necessary. Such as when you climb to the top platform and there's 6+ Skelegons on it and they're crowding the rope. I'd probably Jump-AR out until I got out of the mob, then turn around to Hurricane them, only stopping to either move back a quarter-step or jump-DPing to avoid their lasers. You can get pretty creative about a lot of it.
Bowmasters are a 1v1 class. Sure we have mob skills, but we are primarily a 1v1 class now. Instead of going far out of your way to use your situationally, marginally stronger mob skill, why not do what we excel best at? Find monster A, shoot until it dies, find monster B, rinse and repeat.
Stereo Wrote:anyway I meant to ask if it's possible to skip AR in favour of Inferno, or if there are range/map reasons not to (I think squids and gobies might be fire-resistant? Know they're not weak to it)AR is the only skill Bowmasters get that has no minimum range. You'd have to be absolutely insane to skip it. Even in 4th job there are instances where you'll be in a crowd for a while, you know you'll be in a crowd for a while, and you still need to do something about it.
Example: I don't think it would have been possible to solo Zakum without AR. I have an NL friend that actually had to equip a Dagger for a while while he solo'd just to get rid of the summons. It's also important in places such as HT, when a black Wryvern is coming from below you and it needs to be dead. Sure the Bishops are supposed to Genesis when they see Wryverns, but no one's perfect.