Thrust.

Obviously. But I got through 12x, 13x and 14x very fast by simply training in normal 2-3 attacker split Newtie parties. If people want Inferno to train at alternate places in alternate ways for less exp/hour and higher pot cost, go for it. This game really is just about having fun. I'm not bashing that.

I never said Phoenix + AR = Phoenix + Inferno. I said I'll be able to perform just as well, using my normal training techniques. I'd be happy to do a comparative exp/hour challenge against a Bowmaster (similar to my level) who has maxed Inferno, if such a place ever does come out. However, such a place won't ever come out. And the difference would not be worth 30 points.

Himes suck because their exp/hour + pot cost is nothing compared to what I can net at SKPTs, JNPTs and a good Peak party. Tengu's there, as well. Go die, ugly! F5 @ Tengu

I like the freedom of not having to waste another space in my Use. I like the freedom of not having to keep another buff up. I used Speed Pills all the time during 3rd job (when they came out), but I got tired of relying on a stupid buff to have my required moving speed. It got to the point where if I didn't have one, I felt slow and ended up using one to walk like a few minutes. LOL That's just silly.