The "Bishop Ult vs. AM Ult" thread

So? Every other version has expensive as hell % pots. We're the only ones getting a break. Also, when I visited kMS, Arch-Mages didn't train with ultimates because they went broke doing so. Here they make a profit. I don't think ultimates were meant to be spammed to train with.

To hell with the complainers. It's not like we don't already have a bunch of really nice iTCG stuff that no one else has.

I've never been to KMS but I can speak for MapleSEA. They don't have NLC and they still Ult. train. Maybe it's your opinion that ultimates weren't meant to be trained with but in order to get a reasonable % an hour without ultimates, nexon would have to revise the mage/bishop skillbook cause CL, Angel Ray and Paralyze aren't cutting it.

Really? Well then making Genesis nearly as strong as its amp'd counterparts even though they don't have amp makes a lot of sense too? Making Genesis 7000 is merely leveling the playing field.

And the only way to really balance mages with other classes is to destroy all Onyx Apples. To be honest, I'd love for it to happen. Not only would mages have a purpose (which I am all for), but I would actually be stronger than those damned Night Lords. Onyx Apples broke this game to such an extreme degree; I wish they'd disappear.

Genesis to Meteo/Blizzard base attack is the same like Ice Strike to Shining Ray. After AMP both Blizzard and Meteor are 100 basic attack stronger than Genesis. Raising it to 7000 would not level the playing field, it'd just be BS to charge us for an AMP that we do not have. In third job, Ice Strike is weaker than Shining Ray before AMP but Shining Ray does not cost twice as much. It's the same thing here, just on a larger scale.

It sounds to me more like you guys would like nexon to make the ultimates unusable in training without giving mages/bishops anything else to work with in return. That does not seem very fair to me. We can not Shining Ray our way to Lv.200. Be reasonable, that's not balance that's just nerfing out the mages/bishops entirely.

As far as balance goes, Onyx apples are only a factor at bosses. But removing the Onyx apples entirely is not the *only* way to balance mages. They could instead buff the apples up so that they give a reasonable amount of m.atk. If they simply -took out- the Onyx Apples, bosses such as horntail would be too difficult for most people to defeat and you could forget the time temple boss. In KMS, which does not have apples, adjustments to the bosses to make them possible to defeat are already being made.