butterfli Wrote:Genesis > Blizzard + Meteo.

Hooray!

Afrobean Wrote:Blizzard and Meteo have harder hitting potential when on level playing field.

Genesis is much lower MP cost, and it is, by all accounts, faster as well. This means that on level playing field, Genesis has the highest DPS potential.

No endgame monsters to grind on are weak to fire or ice, yet there are holy weak. This gives Bishops heavy advantage in the goal to gain levels at endgame, although this could be changed at any time in the future.

With functional elemental weapons, the percentage based boost puts neutral Mages about on par with advantaged Bishops in attacking power (particularly if you consider a lukless Mage using the 130 wand and a Bishop using a Maple Wisdom Staff). With these weapons and a level playing field has Mages heavily in the lead (although it is worth noticing that because of the situation with monsters as mentioned above, this instance not that practical to consider).

That's all there is to it. No need for a thread really. Further discussion won't really take it any further other than for people to get mad and vent about the facts I mentioned above. I guess things could go further in depth, such as the variances in power between the two Mage attacks, but that's not really what the topic is asking for either.

gucci Wrote:what is the point of this thread?

wobbufet Wrote:If this thread is so pointless, why do people keep on discussing it at random places

Kabanaw Wrote:Also, I think that if you were to use the ults for a strait minute (like at a boss) the AM ults do slightly more dmg.

XTOTHEL Wrote:just an interesting thought....

Bishop VS AM solo training. Assuming the monster is neutral to holy/ice and the AM does do a little more damage...but the bishop only need to train 90.9% because of HS and AM's got to train 100% o_o...if you get me...lol

XTOTHEL Wrote:just an interesting thought....

Bishop VS AM solo training. Assuming the monster is neutral to holy/ice and the AM does do a little more damage...but the bishop only need to train 90.9% because of HS and AM's got to train 100% o_o...if you get me...lol

DrRusty Wrote:One of the main arguments that makes bishops better than arch mages is the fact that the best monster to train on has [SIZE="3"]ALWAYS[/SIZE] been weak to holy.

Maple was first released - coolies
After that it was grims
then himes
then skeles

See the pattern?

Trying to keep giving slite advantages to arch mages (okay this monster is neutral/yeah the arch mage is using an elemental staff) isn't going to make them have any edge over a bishop.

Bishops have:
Holy symbol
Better defense skills (ER and invincible)
Friggin Heal
Resurection
Ultimate that doesnt take 2x mp
End game monsters weak to holy

I don't hate mages, but it seems like Nexon just might.

butterfli Wrote:They've had that "advantage" since level 82. Also genesis is faster than blizzard with a 11+ speed booster so the bishop does more damage overtime.

If you want to consider other skills of the bishop, invincible is godly. Most bishops I see take around 1.3k from newties and my archmage takes 2k.

Hazzy Wrote:One of the main arguments that makes bishops better than arch mages is the fact that the best monster to train on has ALWAYS been weak to holy.

Maple was first released - coolies
After that it was grims
then himes
then skeles

See the pattern?

Trying to keep giving slite advantages to arch mages (okay this monster is neutral/yeah the arch mage is using an elemental staff) isn't going to make them have any edge over a bishop.

Bishops have:
Holy symbol
Better defense skills (ER and invincible)
Friggin Heal
Resurection
Ultimate that doesnt take 2x mp
End game monsters weak to holy

I don't hate mages, but it seems like Nexon just might.

Dusk Wrote:I don't get why you would use an ult on a single target o_____o

It looks impressive hitting 50k or whatever, but they do a lot less damage over time than my BM at 122...don't Paralyze and CL outdamage Meteo/Blizz on single targets?

Hazzy Wrote:Grims are weark to Fire, aren't they?
Although at that time, the only fire attacks were White Knights, Explosion, and Fire Arrow. Not really the best training over 100. D:
Weak to Holy means they're dark and evil, which is what a lot of people seem to want in end-game bosses/mobs. See everyone freak out at how cute Pink Bean is? "We can't have a boss that strong look that cute! I hate you Nexon!" ._.

Hazzy Wrote:Grims are weark to Fire, aren't they?
Although at that time, the only fire attacks were White Knights, Explosion, and Fire Arrow. Not really the best training over 100. D:
Weak to Holy means they're dark and evil, which is what a lot of people seem to want in end-game bosses/mobs. See everyone freak out at how cute Pink Bean is? "We can't have a boss that strong look that cute! I hate you Nexon!" ._.

Kabanaw Wrote:As I said before, on neutral monsters AMs do better DPS, even with genesis's 2 extra casts per minute.

butterfli Wrote:With genesis having a higher spell base, just high enough to negate the advantage that mages have element amp, making both spells equal on raw damage, I don't see how the acrhmage can have a higher dps if they cast slower and tied in damage.