2010-01-21, 05:44 AM
Rick Wrote:That's not fair, calling everyone who would use the male abortion a coward. They have their careers, futures and finances to think about. It's not a simple "ew a baby". It's them saying they are not ready for this. I'm also glad that you would go through with the baby had you been a situation like that, but you are just one woman. As for taking a toll on the woman, I think you are still downplaying the effect it would have on a man. If your girlfriend is pregnant, and she terminates against your will, you're going to spend the rest of your life lamenting about it. Thinking about what could have been, the family you could have spent your life with.
Sorry, I wasn't referring to male abortionists when I used the term coward. I meant the guys who just take off without saying anything. If you can't handle it there are still more tactful ways to deal with it then running away like so many men do.
And no, I understand that some men would definitely be hurt by it and it would stick with them for a long time, and that's why I said what I said. But it's the woman's body and carrying children is actually risky for some women. As selfish as it is for a woman to remove something you want, it's just as selfish to ask her to carry something she doesn't want for nine months. Requesting support for a child you both had a hand in creating, however, is not selfish. Well... some women are gross about it and expect men to carry them completely but the logic behind child support is not flawed.
The bright side of this is that if a man is able to get a woman pregnant and due to her decision ends up losing it, at least he can be sure he's fertile and could start a family with a woman who wants to carry a baby if that's truly what he desires. Hopefully those men would be able to get past the bitterness of the experience to get to that point.
Quote:I'm sorry, but you can't use this argument unless you are going to accept the argument "some men abusing it is not the fault of men as a whole, and shouldn't be cause for not allowing the male abortion".
Except that there's a huge precedent of men already abusing it. It's not the fault of men as a whole but it's the fault of the majority of jerkbags that stuff sucks for nice guys.
Quote:The sheer fact he had to fight is an indication of how screwed over fathers are.
Actually a lot of it was international court issues. The supreme court in whichever country actually supported the birth father but the step-family kept appealing and they had to go through a bunch of bullshit formalities. So the mother's wishes were disregarded because the father both was blood and actually wanted his son.

