BombsAway Wrote:That's what I meant by suffer for the rest of their lives. It's not easy to give up a child after giving birth to it and many women spend the rest of their lives thinking about that child because it was a part of them. That's scarring. Every possible option for a woman is difficult without the support of someone else. I'm not saying it's not difficult for men, because I'm sure even cowards feel bad for a while but there's no physical toll and judging by experience (deadbeat family members) very little remorse after a while. I feel for men not getting a choice, and honestly I think if I were in that position and didn't want a child and the father did, I would go through with it because any other option is probably worse mentally. But, as has been said many times, regardless of which decision is made, the choice will take a toll on a woman and that's why they get that power.
That's not fair, calling everyone who would use the male abortion a coward. They have their careers, futures and finances to think about. It's not a simple "ew a baby". It's them saying they are not ready for this. I'm also glad that you would go through with the baby had you been a situation like that, but you are just one woman. As for taking a toll on the woman, I think you are still downplaying the effect it would have on a man. If your girlfriend is pregnant, and she terminates against your will, you're going to spend the rest of your life lamenting about it. Thinking about what could have been, the family you could have spent your life with.
Quote:Of course it shouldn't but that's not the fault of women as a whole and shouldn't be cause for consideration of a "get-out-of-jail-free card." That's a legal issue. But even then, the men who really want to be a part of that child's life will fight it with every ounce of their strength. It happens, but not as often as it should.
I'm sorry, but you can't use this argument unless you are going to accept the argument "some men abusing it is not the fault of men as a whole, and shouldn't be cause for not allowing the male abortion".
Quote:Just recently there was a case about a young boy who's mother took him to australia or new zealand and then died and the boy went into custody of his step father when his real dad should've had custody and wanted custody. His mother didn't want him to have custody when she died. But that father spent five years fighting and on December 24th got his son back. If more men were as passionate as that man then I think there would be more consideration for them in the courts, but as it stands there's an overwhelming number of deadbeats and that is why such judgments are made. It's not fair but there are ways to fight it.
The sheer fact he had to fight is an indication of how screwed over fathers are.
Off-topic: I'm quite enjoying this thread. It has been too long since I last had a good debate.