Kalovale Wrote:Because not wanting the child does not equal prompt abortion. That sure as hell is the case for men: Do not want? Abort mission. Women have it worse. I'm no expert in this but physical health threat, mental traumas are both possible, because, again, the woman is directly ridding off the life form.
I'm actually not really sure what you're saying here. You've said the case for most men is not wanting the child does not equal prompt abortion, then you've said the opposite. Could you re-word your sentence?
Quote:And the thing is, if you're in for a true relationship, you can talk it over just fine with the girl. If she shuts you out and make the decision on her own, it isn't very different from you saying "kthxbye" and waltz away with this system. So no, serious relationships are not based on equally fair treatment, but on mutual understanding and reasonable compromise, at least in my opinion.
Yes, you can talk it over. I never said you couldn't. Some people look at this idea and think every man is going to start walking out on his pregnant girlfriend, but there are those who will sit down and talk it over, compromise. But if the girl shuts you out and makes the decision on her own, she clearly doesn't take your interests in to consideration. Your relationship is doomed to fail, but you are stuck with 18 years of financial drain because of her stubborness.
Quote:The current system obviously has its flaw, but as a guy, I find it disgusting for other guys to seek convenience for themselves without considering the situation further than "she also has the choice, well.. same choice as before!"
The flaw probably lays in the natural fact that pregnancy is a woman's exclusive right, until you can make that fair, nothing can be fair.
When I support this, I know there are true couples out there who will sit down and talk it over. I don't see it as seeking convenience, I see it as a last resort for when compromise and understanding fails. A child at the wrong time can put a stopper in developing careers, it can put you on the bread line. Yes, there will be deadbeats who may abuse the system, but every system does have its flaws. In this system it's trailor-trash Sally, who 'forgets' a few birth control pills so she can trap her boyfriend in to 18 years of paying for her to sit on her ass.
Doxinator Wrote:Here's an idea: Don't have sex.
If you get a woman pregnant, sure, you're obligated to help it. It IS your flesh and blood too, afterall. And you'd really put a woman through all that hardship alone? You're all selfish bastards.
I really hate this argument. Sex is a human NEED. And why does everyone keep saying 'if you get a woman pregnant' like it's always the man's fault? It takes two to tango, contraception is equally available to women. Yes, I would put a woman through that hardship alone. A woman that refuses to listen to me on a monumentally large decision that will have an astronomical impact on advancement of our lives and careers clearly doesn't give a damn about me. And once more, she doesn't HAVE to keep it.