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MuscleWizard Wrote:While I am upset over the hacking, the one thing that does bother me is how companies like Sony lock users out of the full potential of the hardware they purchase.
I don't think that Sony, or anyone for that matter, should have the right to tell people what they can and can't do with something that they purchase.
I feel the same way about apple locking out their iPods / iPads.
It was made to protect users from further damage of the hackings, also it's the same as with MapleStory, games relying on the internet are bound to have downtimes.
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Shidoshi Wrote:It was made to protect users from further damage of the hackings, also it's the same as with MapleStory, games relying on the internet are bound to have downtimes.
I believe he was talking about the jailbreaking thing, since you technically own it, and they are telling you how you are allowed to use it. Usually it would just void warranties, instead of being outright illegal.
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DualReaver Wrote:I believe he was talking about the jailbreaking thing, since you technically own it, and they are telling you how you are allowed to use it. Usually it would just void warranties, instead of being outright illegal.
Technically you're "borrowing it for an indefinite amount of time" from Sony. At least, that's what they claim, from what I've read.
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Kunagisa Wrote:Technically you're "borrowing it for an indefinite amount of time" from Sony. At least, that's what they claim, from what I've read.
I'm not sure how accurate that would be because you get hit with sales tax on PS3, if you're "renting" it's a completely different tax rate. I don't know how they legally get away with that lol. Though it's different state from state.
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/6312333/son...led-expert
Can't really say how credible this is but an interesting turn of events.
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This situation requires the ace work of the Navy SEALs
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CIA is the next agency to involve in all this. /trolling
Im just saying what a great royal screwup by sony. It will be Years and Mass Head chopping before sony will be seen as a good company again, specially with those stupid terms of agreement they have been coming up with recently.
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dante9898 Wrote:CIA is the next agency to involve in all this. /trolling
Im just saying what a great royal screwup by sony. It will be Years and Mass Head chopping before sony will be seen as a good company again, specially with those stupid terms of agreement they have been coming up with recently.
Doubt it. General public will hold the perpetrators at fault, not Sony, even if they were guilty of not keeping the latest protection. Sony isn't the bad guy here, they're a victim just like everyone effected, and that's how it will come across in history. Which is absolutely right, because everything they've done, they've had the right to do. They needed to protect their business. It's the fault of all of the spoiled, entitled little shits of the world that anything bad has happened.
I won't stop supporting Sony. We had a discussion about this in my business class a few days ago too and the general consensus was that most people won't write Sony off either. Things will return to normal for them as soon as the PSN is relaunched.
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I still blame sony a little since its their job to secure the info of every single one of their clients.
But its mostly like 30% sony and 70% the douche bag who hacked the info when assigning blame FOR ME at least. They aren't completely innocent on this matter but neither are the guilty party in this.
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"Oh hey guys, I left a stack of 100 dollars bills on the street and someone took it"
"You're not to blame, the one who took it is"
Seriously, leaving your servers unprotected on a major company with loads of important information that many groups of people could be interested is not right. They CAN do it, but they are still to blame for the hacking.
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Quote:A group of hackers says it is planning another wave of cyberattacks against Sony in retaliation for its handling of the PlayStation Network breach.
An observer of the Internet Relay Chat channel used by the hackers told CNET today that a third major attack is planned this weekend against Sony's Web site. The people involved plan to publicize all or some of the information they are able to copy from Sony's servers, which could include customer names, credit card numbers, and addresses, according to the source. The hackers claim they currently have access to some of Sony's servers.
Should the planned attack succeed, it would be the latest blow in a series of devastating security breaches of Sony's servers over the past month. The failure of Sony's server security has ignited investigations by the FBI, the Department of Justice, Congress, and the New York State Attorney General, a well as data security and privacy authorities in the U.K., Canada, and Taiwan.
Several weeks ago the hacker group known as Anonymous targeted several Sony Web sites, including Sony.com and SonyStyle.com, with a distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack in retaliation for what its members saw as Sony's unfair legal action against hacker George Hotz. Two weeks ago Sony's PlayStation Network, along with its Qriocity service and Sony Online, were the target of an attack that exposed the personal information of more than 100 million Sony customers. Sony was forced to shut down PSN, Qriocity, and Sony Online, and is currently working to bring them back online after rebuilding the security of its servers.
Sony says it doesn't know who orchestrated what it's calling a "highly sophisticated, planned" attack, but it has dropped hints that the group Anonymous is involved. Kazuo Hirai, chairman of Sony Computer Entertainment, told a Congressional subcommittee in a letter yesterday that the intruders on its servers planted a file named "Anonymous" containing the statement "We are Legion," part of the group's tagline.
Anonymous issued a statement yesterday denying it was involved in the PSN breach. "While we are a distributed and decentralized group, our 'leadership' does not condone credit card theft," the statement said.
Now it seems the same group of hackers that was able to infiltrate the PSN servers is planning to hit back against Sony.
Sony did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20060227-260.html
Just great. This is seriously getting ridiculous. If Sony actually gets successfully hit again, I think they can kiss any and every little last bit of loyalty to their company good-bye =|
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Quote:An observer of the Internet Relay Chat channel used by the hackers...
I bet they were chatting in 1337.
But seriously, this is gonna be one interesting weekend if it's true.
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EarthAdept2 Wrote:Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20060227-260.html
Just great. This is seriously getting ridiculous. If Sony actually gets successfully hit again, I think they can kiss any and every little last bit of loyalty to their company good-bye =|
Sony will never lose support because they're at fault for nothing. As a matter of fact, every move Anonymous makes will further strengthen support and sympathy for Sony. Truly ironic that they that fight against the corporate but only serve to help them in the long run. And even if people back away from Sony for a while, it won't last long.
Furthermore, there is no perfect crime and the terrorists will be apprehended eventually. And if they're not directly caught by the authorities, it's likely that some disgruntled person or people with just as much time on their hands as the terrorists will begin to track them down. History has repeatedly proven that you can't pineapple with millions and not pay for it eventually.
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EarthAdept2 Wrote:Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20060227-260.html
Just great. This is seriously getting ridiculous. If Sony actually gets successfully hit again, I think they can kiss any and every little last bit of loyalty to their company good-bye =|
We can pretty much say goodbye to everything that makes the internet great soon cuz of anonymous
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Quote:The people involved plan to publicize all or some of the information they are able to copy from Sony's servers, which could include customer names, credit card numbers, and addresses, according to the source.
What.
Anonymous Wrote:Anonymous is on your side, standing up for your rights. We are not aiming to attack customers of Sony.
Nice job "standing up" for the people there.
Coming soon:
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p.s. On an unrelated note, it seems that EllinForest.com just got hacked by a group dubbed "Team Animus"...
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I think Sony would be at a ton of fault for this if they let this happen AGAIN. They're redoing everything with PSN security and amongst all that other stuff only to get hacked AGAIN? By the same people? And with even a possible "warning" and that PSN is currently down, allowing them to further beef up their security? That's just incompetence at its best.
I would have no sympathy if an international corporation falls prey TWICE to the same group of hackers in the span of two weeks. I would just ditch Sony. I haven't been seeing much support for Sony as it is. How can this help the company if this fiasco just jeopardized the entire PSN user base's private information? And again if the next attack is successful.
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I don't know why, but this feels as good a time as any.
I used to work for Sony's FPQA.
Yep. Granted I haven't been called back in two years and gave up on going back to them ever and am currently looking for new work. I.E. I have no inside info or explanation for what's happened. Even if I did, I was a tester rather than a coder; they always hated us for breaking their games too >.>
Any which way, despite my aggravation towards them for leading me on that there would be more work for over two years, I still can't see this from the other perspective. While legality may be questionable, what these people are doing is leading to losses, and is just plain unethical. I admit to doing my fair share of pirating in the past, true; but whenever I was able, I would do whatever I could to support the industry.
The way I see it is if it is something you enjoy, legal, and available in your market, you should endeavor to purchase it. Even if it requires waiting until there is a price drop to what you consider reasonable. Why be the poison to something you love? My only counter to this would be games that have invasive software to prevent piracy which cause more harm than good (I.E. Spore).
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Shidoshi Wrote:"Oh hey guys, I left a stack of 100 dollars bills on the street and someone took it"
"You're not to blame, the one who took it is"
Seriously, leaving your servers unprotected on a major company with loads of important information that many groups of people could be interested is not right. They CAN do it, but they are still to blame for the hacking.
But the thing is there's a standard security you have to have to even deal with credit cards. You don't blame the company for that, you blame the standards that, assuming, are minimum of having at a federal level. So no, it isn't like they just took a bunch of info, put it on a desktop folder saying "CUSTOMER INFO". If the security is inadequate, then they were misinformed as the federal standard is set by, well the government. So you either conced that the security throughout the country is inferior, or that sony is just getting beat on like a dead horse for adhearing to federal standard.
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dante9898 Wrote:CIA is the next agency to involve in all this. /trolling
Im just saying what a great royal screwup by sony. It will be Years and Mass Head chopping before sony will be seen as a good company again, specially with those stupid terms of agreement they have been coming up with recently.
I agree. I've seen a lot of rage on that. I've also seen a lot of rage regarding how horribly Sony has handled their screw up with the yellow light of death on their launch models. Just look at the forums and you see a few every day. Sending that crap back to Sony to repair for $150 or so is ridiculous. Also, the replacement models don't last long either from what I've seen on many stories on the forums. If you pay that much, you should expect even the replacements to last, but that doesn't seem to be the case. :/
Let this topic enlighten some as well about horror stories trying to get this fixed, and other topics are lying around if you take the time to look regarding names and such of those affected: http://community.us.playstation.com/message/30818845
I think Sony had it coming. But I do not condone these attacks. However, I hope Sony realizes it needs to do better and treat their customers better.
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KhainiWest Wrote:But the thing is there's a standard security you have to have to even deal with credit cards. You don't blame the company for that, you blame the standards that, assuming, are minimum of having at a federal level. So no, it isn't like they just took a bunch of info, put it on a desktop folder saying "CUSTOMER INFO". If the security is inadequate, then they were misinformed as the federal standard is set by, well the government. So you either conced that the security throughout the country is inferior, or that sony is just getting beat on like a dead horse for adhearing to federal standard.
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php...9&p=721798
Seems like my case is getting closer to the reality.
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