Buccaneer skill replacement levels

The title probably makes no sense.

I'm 146 right now, just passed demo 20 and it's level 8. After demo i am probably going to max energy orb. What i want to know is the following:

1) At what level does demolition out damage barr + DS.
2) At what level does energy orb out damage energy blast.
3) At what level does energy orb out damage dragon strike. (i'm pretty sure it's 27+, but i'm just curious)
4) By how much DPS does max energy orb out damage max dragon strike? Expressed in % difference is fine.

Thanks guys.

Do you want these with or without stunning first and with or without SE?

Not that i'd know, but for those who would figure this out... it's a good thing to tell em.

Do you want these with or without stunning first and with or without SE?

Not that i'd know, but for those who would figure this out... it's a good thing to tell em.

No SE, and no stun.

Im pretty sure the first one is pretty much adding the dmg%s, cus barrage+ds is~same speed as a demo. As for the rest.. idk I have lvl 1 energy orb and it can do pretty close to energy blast dmg, it's just that the chain dmg makes he dps a lot lower, so it all depends on howmany you hit I guess.

barrage+ds is~same speed as a demo.

It can't be.

When I solo Pap and use Time Leap for Super Transform, I kill Pap in about 13 minutes.

If I don't use Time Leap and use more Dragon Strike + Rapid Fist, it slows down and ends around 16 ~ 17 minutes.

Demolition by itself is much faster than Dragon Strike + Rapid Fist. At what level does it get there? Probably around 25.

Im pretty sure the first one is pretty much adding the dmg%s, cus barrage+ds is~same speed as a demo. As for the rest.. idk I have lvl 1 energy orb and it can do pretty close to energy blast dmg, it's just that the chain dmg makes he dps a lot lower, so it all depends on howmany you hit I guess.

According to the speed reference thread, barr + DS is in total 2580 ms, while demolition is 2340 ms, so 1 demolition is faster than 1 barr + DS.

The title probably makes no sense.

I'm 146 right now, just passed demo 20 and it's level 8. After demo i am probably going to max energy orb. What i want to know is the following:

1) At what level does demolition out damage barr + DS.
2) At what level does energy orb out damage energy blast.
3) At what level does energy orb out damage dragon strike. (i'm pretty sure it's 27+, but i'm just curious)
4) By how much DPS does max energy orb out damage max dragon strike? Expressed in % difference is fine.

Thanks guys.

1. Somewhere around after level 21 Demolition utterly destroys the single target DPS of Barrage and DS. I remembered saving a good minute at level 21 Demolition at Dodo compared to pure Barrage and DS, and obviously only gets better from there. I save ~2-3 minutes using Demolition at Dodo with max Demolition.
2. No idea. I haven't had a point in orb yet.
3. I think at level 21+
4. Not sure

The title probably makes no sense.

I'm 146 right now, just passed demo 20 and it's level 8. After demo i am probably going to max energy orb. What i want to know is the following:

1) At what level does demolition out damage barr + DS.
2) At what level does energy orb out damage energy blast.
3) At what level does energy orb out damage dragon strike. (i'm pretty sure it's 27+, but i'm just curious)
4) By how much DPS does max energy orb out damage max dragon strike? Expressed in % difference is fine.

Thanks guys.

1)
Barr + DS = 1080+1830 = 2910 miliseconds
Demo = 2340 miliseconds

Barr + DS %DPS = ((230*10)+810)*1000/2910 = 1069% DPS
Demo (level 21) = 310*8*1000/2340 = 1060% DPS

Demo outdamages Barrage+DS at level 22 (1094% DPS)

2)
Blast = 570 ms
Orb = 930 ms

Blast (2) = 2*420*1000/570 = 1474% DPS
Blast (3) = 3*420*1000/570 = 2211% DPS
Blast (4) = 4*420*1000/570 = 2947% DPS

Orb (2, Level 23) = 2*760*1000/930 = 1471%
Orb (3, Level 27) = 3*840*1000/930 = 2204%
Orb (4, Level 30) = 4*900*1000/930 = 2857%
Orb (5, Level 25) = 5*800*1000/930 = 2892%
Orb (6, Level 25) = 6*800*1000/930 = 2892%

Orb is stronger than Blast on 2 monsters at level 24 (1510% DPS)
Orb is stronger than Blast on 3 monsters at level 28 (2256% DPS)
Orb is never stronger than Blast on 4 monsters
Orb is stronger than Blast on 5 monsters at level 26 (2964% DPS)
Orb is stronger than Blast on 6 monsters at level 25 (2892% DPS)

 disclaimer

Orb calculation was shortened to maintain simplicity. I know the real formula for 6 monsters would be
Orb (6) = (900+900*0.8+900*0.8^2+900*0.8^3+900*0.8^4+900*0.8^5)*1000/930
But that would be really annoying to read, wouldn't it?

3)
DS = 1080 ms
Orb = 930 ms

DS (4) = 4*810*1000/1080 = 3000% DPS
Orb (4, Level 30) = 4*900*1000/930 = 2857% DPS

Orb will never be stronger than DS on 4 or more monsters
Orb will only be stronger on 2-3 monsters if it's level 24 or higher
This is moot anyway since DS isn't spammable. You'd likely switch between them.

4)

Monsters	Strike	Orb
1	750%	968%
2	1500%	1742%
3	2250%	2361%
4	3000%	2857%
5	3750%	3253%
6	4500%	3570%

All numbers are in % DPS.

 Numbers

1)
Barr + DS = 1080+1830 = 2910 miliseconds
Demo = 2340 miliseconds

Barr + DS %DPS = ((230*10)+810)*1000/2910 = 1069% DPS
Demo (level 21) = 310*8*1000/2340 = 1060% DPS

Demo outdamages Barrage+DS at level 22 (1094% DPS)

2)
Blast = 570 ms
Orb = 930 ms

Blast (2) = 2*420*1000/570 = 1474% DPS
Blast (3) = 3*420*1000/570 = 2211% DPS
Blast (4) = 4*420*1000/570 = 2947% DPS

Orb (2, Level 23) = 2*760*1000/930 = 1471%
Orb (3, Level 27) = 3*840*1000/930 = 2204%
Orb (4, Level 30) = 4*900*1000/930 = 2857%
Orb (5, Level 25) = 5*800*1000/930 = 2892%
Orb (6, Level 25) = 6*800*1000/930 = 2892%

Orb is stronger than Blast on 2 monsters at level 24 (1510% DPS)
Orb is stronger than Blast on 3 monsters at level 28 (2256% DPS)
Orb is never stronger than Blast on 4 monsters
Orb is stronger than Blast on 5 monsters at level 26 (2964% DPS)
Orb is stronger than Blast on 6 monsters at level 25 (2892% DPS)

 disclaimer

Orb calculation was shortened to maintain simplicity. I know the real formula for 6 monsters would be
Orb (6) = (900+900*0.8+900*0.8^2+900*0.8^3+900*0.8^4+900*0.8^5)*1000/930
But that would be really annoying to read, wouldn't it?

3)
DS = 1080 ms
Orb = 930 ms

DS (4) = 4*810*1000/1080 = 3000% DPS
Orb (4, Level 30) = 4*900*1000/930 = 2857% DPS

Orb will never be stronger than DS on 4 or more monsters
Orb will only be stronger on 2-3 monsters if it's level 24 or higher
This is moot anyway since DS isn't spammable. You'd likely switch between them.

4)

Monsters	Strike	Orb
1	750%	968%
2	1500%	1742%
3	2250%	2361%
4	3000%	2857%
5	3750%	3253%
6	4500%	3570%

Aw, guess i'm maxing ST after demo since orb isn't as great as i thought.

Thanks a lot.

Aw, guess i'm maxing ST after demo since orb isn't as great as i thought.

Thanks a lot.

My thoughts exactly. Now that I just maxed Demolition today, I'm going to work on polishing off Super Transform and then do +2 orb, +1 Maple Hero every level or something like that. Or maybe +9 Maple Hero, then level 24 or so Orb, then 19 or maybe 29 Maple Hero. lol

My thoughts exactly. Now that I just maxed Demolition today, I'm going to work on polishing off Super Transform and then do +2 orb, +1 Maple Hero every level or something like that. Or maybe +9 Maple Hero, then level 24 or so Orb, then 19 or maybe 29 Maple Hero. lol

I was thinking of doing snatch just now actually.

Can you imagine how sexy it would be at O4 (or in general) to just keep jump snatching backwards grabbing all the guardians and dragging them along?

Snatch doesn't do much for me. I don't really like it. When you use Snatch, about 90% of the time it brings the monsters too close and they run into you. Guardian Captains of Oblivion are the worst with it, too. Personally, I hate Snatch. lol

Snatch doesn't do much for me. I don't really like it. When you use Snatch, about 90% of the time it brings the monsters too close and they run into you. Guardian Captains of Oblivion are the worst with it, too. Personally, I hate Snatch. lol

Yeah, i figured the pot burn would be immense. Oh well, never getting high enough to max it anyway.

Snatch doesn't do much for me. I don't really like it. When you use Snatch, about 90% of the time it brings the monsters too close and they run into you. Guardian Captains of Oblivion are the worst with it, too. Personally, I hate Snatch. lol

On the other hand though, it's damage could possibly be almost doubling your killing speed 50% of the time. Well to be honest I don't really know what to think now that I made good upgrades. I can probably predict my buffed damage range to kick into the 7k range if I get to 168 and have level 19 MW. Oh the decisions. I'll probably just wait until 165 to decide what's better.

To go Rambo and crank up EXP/hour with Snatch 50% of my training time at the cost of getting hit more, or go the safer route getting MW and boost damage by 10%, 100% of the time. But yeah, if it doesn't reduce my number of hits needed to kill, then MW19 is useless. I'll just have to wait and see.





*Kaida. Typo on Dragon Strike. It's 810% a hit instead of 750%.

*Kaida. Typo on Dragon Strike. It's 810% a hit instead of 750%.

It's not a typo. Those numbers are % DPS, not % damage per hit. Perhaps I should have been more clear.

It's not a typo. Those numbers are % DPS, not % damage per hit. Perhaps I should have been more clear.

Oh whoops. Overlooked that. My bad.



*Oh if you really want to, can you help calculate damage per second with Snatch + Dragon Strike? Not sure if calculating the average critical damage will be a problem.

Forgot delays

Max Energy Blast:
1 Mob: 368%/s
2 Mob: 737%/s
3 Mob: 1105%/s
4 Mob: 1474%/s

Energy Orb:
1 Mob: Level 4
2 Mob: Level 7
3 Mob: Level 11
4 Mob: Level 14

Dragon Strike:
1: 360%/s
2: 720%/s
3: 1080%/s
4: 1440%/s
5: 1800%/s
6: 2160%/s

Energy Orb:
1: Level 3
2: Level 7
3: Level 10
4: Level 14
5: Level 18
6: Level 22

Energy Blast + Dragon Strike Combo:
1 Mob: 547%/s
2 Mob: 1093%/s
3 Mob: 1640%/s
4 Mob: 2187%/s
5 Mob: 2547%/s
6 Mob: 2907%/s

Energy Orb + Dragon Strike Combo:
1 Mob: Level 8 (Almost identical at level 7)
2 Mob: Level 12
3 Mob: Level 16
4 Mob: Level 21
5 Mob: Level 19
6 Mob: Level 18

DPS Table for Orb:

Level	Damage	1	2	3	4	5	6
1	300	322.58	537.63
2	320	344.09	573.48
3	340	365.59	609.32
4	360	387.1	645.16
5	380	408.6	681
6	400	430.11	716.85
7	420	451.61	752.69	953.41
8	440	473.12	788.53	998.81
9	460	494.62	824.37	1044.21
10	480	516.13	860.22	1089.61
11	510	548.39	913.98	1157.71
12	530	569.89	949.82	1203.11
13	550	591.4	985.66	1248.51	1423.74
14	570	612.9	1021.51	1293.91	1475.51
15	590	634.41	1057.35	1339.31	1527.28
16	610	655.91	1093.19	1384.71	1579.05
17	630	677.42	1129.03	1430.11	1630.82
18	650	698.92	1164.87	1475.51	1682.6
19	670	720.43	1200.72	1520.91	1734.37	1876.68
20	690	741.94	1236.56	1566.31	1786.14	1932.7
21	720	774.19	1290.32	1634.41	1863.8	2016.73
22	740	795.7	1326.16	1679.81	1915.57	2072.75
23	760	817.2	1362.01	1725.21	1967.34	2128.77
24	780	838.71	1397.85	1770.61	2019.12	2184.79
25	800	860.22	1433.69	1816.01	2070.89	2240.81	2354.09
26	820	881.72	1469.53	1861.41	2122.66	2296.83	2412.94
27	840	903.23	1505.38	1906.81	2174.43	2352.85	2471.79
28	860	924.73	1541.22	1952.21	2226.2	2408.87	2530.64
29	880	946.24	1577.06	1997.61	2277.98	2464.89	2589.5
30	900	967.74	1612.9	2043.01	2329.75	2520.91	2648.35

DPS Table for Orb + Dragon Strike:

Level	Damage	1	2	3	4	5	6
1	300	493.33	942.22	1302.22	1662.22	2022.22	2382.22
2	320	502.22	957.04	1317.04	1677.04	2037.04	2397.04
3	340	511.11	971.85	1331.85	1691.85	2051.85	2411.85
4	360	520	986.67	1346.67	1706.67	2066.67	2426.67
5	380	528.89	1001.48	1361.48	1721.48	2081.48	2441.48
6	400	537.78	1016.3	1376.3	1736.3	2096.3	2456.3
7	420	546.67	1031.11	1474.07	1834.07	2194.07	2554.07
8	440	555.56	1045.93	1492.84	1852.84	2212.84	2572.84
9	460	564.44	1060.74	1511.6	1871.6	2231.6	2591.6
10	480	573.33	1075.56	1530.37	1890.37	2250.37	2610.37
11	510	586.67	1097.78	1558.52	1918.52	2278.52	2638.52
12	530	595.56	1112.59	1577.28	1937.28	2297.28	2657.28
13	550	604.44	1127.41	1596.05	2028.48	2388.48	2748.48
14	570	613.33	1142.22	1614.81	2049.88	2409.88	2769.88
15	590	622.22	1157.04	1633.58	2071.28	2431.28	2791.28
16	610	631.11	1171.85	1652.35	2092.67	2452.67	2812.67
17	630	640	1186.67	1671.11	2114.07	2474.07	2834.07
18	650	648.89	1201.48	1689.88	2135.47	2495.47	2855.47
19	670	657.78	1216.3	1708.64	2156.87	2575.69	2935.69
20	690	666.67	1231.11	1727.41	2178.27	2598.85	2958.85
21	720	680	1253.33	1755.56	2210.37	2633.58	2993.58
22	740	688.89	1268.15	1774.32	2231.77	2656.74	3016.74
23	760	697.78	1282.96	1793.09	2253.17	2679.89	3039.89
24	780	706.67	1297.78	1811.85	2274.57	2703.05	3063.05
25	800	715.56	1312.59	1830.62	2295.97	2726.2	3133.02
26	820	724.44	1327.41	1849.38	2317.37	2749.36	3157.35
27	840	733.33	1342.22	1868.15	2338.77	2772.51	3181.67
28	860	742.22	1357.04	1886.91	2360.16	2795.67	3206
29	880	751.11	1371.85	1905.68	2381.56	2818.82	3230.32
30	900	760	1386.67	1924.44	2402.96	2841.98	3254.65

And as far as I know, Orb reduction is 2/3rds. It'd be pineappleing fantastic if it actually were 0.80 but we live in a world where Buccaneers suck aren't as great as other jobs at DPSing.

Oh whoops. Overlooked that. My bad.



*Oh if you really want to, can you help calculate damage per second with Snatch + Dragon Strike? Not sure if calculating the average critical damage will be a problem.

If by help you, you mean do it for you, then sure.

Snatch + DS = 750+1080 = 1830 ms

Without SE = (600+846)*1000/1830 = 790% per monster (790, 1580, 2370, 3160, 3950, 4740)
With SE = (600+960)*1000/1830 = 852% per monster (852, 1705, 2557, 3410, 4262, 5115)

This assumes DS un-stuns all the monsters it hits, which I think it does.

And as far as I know, Orb reduction is 2/3rds. It'd be pineappleing fantastic if it actually were 0.80 but we live in a world where Buccaneers suck aren't as great as other jobs at DPSing.

Oh it is? Blame Carlos, he told me 0.8. I knew it was made higher, but I wasn't sure to what.

Also... delay what? I don't understand. I was under the impression that the delay for Blast was removed entirely and the delays for the other skills were lowered enough for alternation to be very possible. Are you perhaps using the outdated delays on LazyBui's thread?

Oh it is? Blame Carlos, he told me 0.8. I knew it was made higher, but I wasn't sure to what.

Also... delay what? I don't understand. I was under the impression that the delay for Blast was removed entirely and the delays for the other skills were lowered enough for alternation to be very possible. Are you perhaps using the outdated delays on LazyBui's thread?

hey dont trow this at me, when you start talking numbers i say "yes yes alex" to everything and stop listening. blame god for making me allergic to numbers.