Dark knight: Am I failing or what!?

7~8k will be enough for up to Oblivion 2.

But when you touch those (Chief) Oblivion Guardians, you'll need at least 10k zerk to be safe.

first allow me to thank you for the most lulsworthy post in weeks.

Irrelevant comparison is irrelevant. I seriously have heard more than enough of ranged people ranting about their fragility.

funny since this thread was made by a drk who is whining about his crappy hp, yet he has more hp than every other non warrior/bucc class while on serk and its only lv 20. YOU had enough of RANGED ranting about their crappy hp, yet as a DRK all you guys have DONE SINCE 4TH JOB is cry like little girls on how unfair serk is. you are able to TWO HIT skeles at 13x with 4.9k hp, i wasnt able to 2 hit them till 15x and i didnt have 4.9hp till 15x.

please, you are tired? perhaps you should go look at the freaking thread starter and his complain before you starts spouting s out your ass.

Don't worry, no Drk can fail more than me.

whine much?

When I started out Zerking (around lvl125 with original Zerk skilltables), I died 20 times a day at Wolf Spiders, but I fail so let's skip that. Your problem here is Zerk lvl, get it to 30 and you'll be good to go, your dmg range is fine.

moar whine?

this is you on this thread, crying becus you die at wolf spiders, you might want to add ketchup to that while you expect me to swallow how YOU are tired of ranged people not having a way to survive.

you can have low hp and do 200% dmg or lots of hp and low dmg. i can go try and die, or not try at all. this......

first allow me to thank you for the most lulsworthy post in weeks.

I'm assuming your post is the lulsy one?

funny since this thread was made by a drk who is whining about his crappy hp, yet he has more hp than every other non warrior/bucc class while on serk and its only lv 20. YOU had enough of RANGED ranting about their crappy hp, yet as a DRK all you guys have DONE SINCE 4TH JOB is cry like little girls on how unfair serk is. you are able to TWO HIT skeles at 13x with 4.9k hp, i wasnt able to 2 hit them till 15x and i didnt have 4.9hp till 15x.

...You're a bishop, nice comparison e_e. Let's factor in you have Magic guard which is what? 7k more hp? First off the hp comparison between a range and a melee is irrelevent. Any range class has avoid as they focus on either luk or dex, they also have skills which bridge a gap and allow them to escape. Also a ranged class typically 2-4 hits skelegons, this maybe true, but they also spout that crap out much faster than what my ski's which are equiped for casting speed can do. Considering if I don't two hit I'm forced to pot per monster I kill, that's not including being knocked back or getting bumped around while rushing. Fact is he's right, your post is irrelevent on that topic.

please, you are tired? perhaps you should go look at the freaking thread starter and his complain before you starts spouting s out your ass.

My post is in a more fun less serious tone so it would avoid people like you entering with your unvaluable advice and snarky tone. Excuse me for not typing it in elitists format. I don't know many Drk's, I simply wanted opinions, but also in a 'friendly' way.

whine much?

Playing along with the tone of my post/response? It isn't a whine it's a joke.

moar whine?

More joke and analysis of what a dark hast to go through.

this is you on this thread, crying becus you die at wolf spiders, you might want to add ketchup to that while you expect me to swallow how YOU are tired of ranged people not having a way to survive.

you can have low hp and do 200% dmg or lots of hp and low dmg. i can go try and die, or not try at all. this......

Once again I reiterate the 'whine' part was in a context of a joke, perhaps to make me feel better or play along with the thread. Unlike you I appreciate his input. Lastly, my damage is more like 140%ish which is barely comparable to a hero, with half of his hp. A range class has range for a reason, to coordinate attacks and use skills to avoid attacks. A dark is a tank, it runs into monsters, it gets face to face with virtually no avoid period. I find it frustrating that I do die in two hits none the less, with or without the damage increase because my range doesn't seem high enough. If you had read the thread I was asking if this is a general problem or a personal handicap.

I also pointed out I'd rather bare thorugh it then dig into my bank account to make a 2k whopping HP difference that I won't even require at that time.

Good day to you sir.

i am a marksman you idiot. and i am talking to the other dumb drk not you. and i will have to pot after every hit forever unlike you. gg at being illiterate

good day to you and good luck as a hb mule.

i am a marksman you idiot. and i am talking to the other dumb drk not you. and i will have to pot after every hit forever unlike you. gg at being illiterate

good day to you and good luck as a hb mule.

I was defending him because I don't agree with your attitude. I never said it was directed at me, so good job there. Sorry but "afro god" doesn't at all, even have the same lettering as "marksman". None the less you have avoid and a summon which freezes monsters allowing you to strafe/snipe charge. So er you just made it easier for me to wreck you, oh and my party skill is an essential while yours (even at 4th) is essentially an attack pot.

Hypocrite.

Oh sorry I didn't read your avatar, that explains it.

Any other class can overpot; DrKs can't. It's not the same thing.

[spoiler=Don't click if you think I'm ranting]No, irrelevance here is the difference between Drks having to ram into mobs, spamming pot every half second and trying to kill and be worthy at the same time while MMs can freeze, or have some flying pet do the crap for you if you're too lazy to push Blizzard. You have Puppet, you have 170*5*0.5 avoid, you have 200 range to attack the mobs from. The only thing you have to whine about, comparing to us HP tankers is when you get buttraped without lube by some creeping Skele.[/spoiler]

Zerk is not unfair, I don't know where you picked up the idea that all Drks do is whine. If I whine, I'd rather choose to rant on my 7 fps and 50 kbps internet Maple playing experience. The WS dying reference was there to try to make the Thread Starter feel better.

Don't worry, no Drk can fail more than me.

This refers to my crappy dmg range that I have little motivation to improve on. Quite irrelevant if you group it with dying 20 times a day, I must say.

Any other class can overpot; DrKs can't. It's not the same thing.

I didn't consider that either..ya know how hard it is to operate with a 40% potion with a 39% zerk trigger, lol

I laughed more than I should have at your "if you think its a rant dont click".

I was defending him because I don't agree with your attitude. I never said it was directed at me, so good job there. Sorry but "afro god" doesn't at all, even have the same lettering as "marksman". None the less you have avoid and a summon which freezes monsters allowing you to strafe/snipe charge. So er you just made it easier for me to wreck you, oh and my party skill is an essential while yours (even at 4th) is essentially an attack pots.

Hypocrite.

whoa, you are dummer than a cheese covered rock. i actually tried to help your whiny ass, and you turn all tard.

archer avoid is no existent and lame, go pick again.

not all monsters can be frozen, and even then we get hit and need to pot after every hit. which is your complain. other ranged like BM dont even have ice and still have archer crappy avoid. having to pot after each single hit is something most of us have to live with, you aint speshuuuul and you DO have a choice. that is all i said.

the party skill shot is actually inconsequential to the topic at hand, no one said hb was crap, without it i cant ht or pb, i am grateful to those drks that provide it. same way as se gives nls and archers apple like dmg. my party skill is as important as yours to make bossing easy and profitable. not that we care, its apples and oranges.

my attitude is that of a person that was helping you and letting you know that others have the same issue and cant really fix it with skill points or just by not zerking for a second.

you could be more ungrateful, but that would be hard as hell.

and for the record, the only wreck here is how you ladies get all pissy when we dont cry you a river.

whoa, you are dummer than a cheese covered rock. i actually tried to help your whiny ass, and you turn all tard.

archer avoid is no existent and lame, go pick again.

not all monsters can be frozen, and even then we get hit and need to pot after every hit. which is your complain. other ranged like BM dont even have ice and still have archer crappy avoid. having to pot after each single hit is something most of us have to live with, you aint speshuuuul and you DO have a choice. that is all i said.

the party skill shot is actually inconsequential to the topic at hand, no one said hb was crap, without it i cant ht or pb, i am grateful to those drks that provide it. same way as se gives nls and archers apple like dmg. my party skill is as important as yours to make bossing easy and profitable. not that we care, its apples and oranges.

my attitude is that of a person that was helping you and letting you know that others have the same issue and cant really fix it with skill points or just by not zerking for a second.

you could be more ungrateful, but that would be hard as hell.

and for the record, the only wreck here is how you ladies get all pissy when we dont cry you a river.

No offense but you're entire argument was "You're ungrateful, lrn2zerk". Once again every monster you should be training at should be effected by freeze. I don't know why you would be training at monsters invulernable to ice :f6:. Dex also adds avoid if you read the AP thingy..so er what level marksman were you again? lol

Also I don't appreciate you attacking someone who has given me more of experienced view point just because you're offended that your hp rant is completly irrelevent.

Oh and it's even more silly you don't understand the tone of the thread was a hook. I'm not asking for pitty, I'm asking for a viewpoint/advice. No way am I saying "US DARK KNIGHTS NEED A BREAK ITS NOT FAIR". No way I'm telling the game to alter their data for me. But it seems you're the one crying over the way the game is designed.

So..er in actuality, you're being the cry baby here :f6:

whoops double post

archer avoid is no existent and lame, go pick again.

not all monsters can be frozen (oh right...), and even then we get hit and need to pot after every hit. which is your complain. other ranged like BM dont even have ice and still have archer crappy avoid. having to pot after each single hit is something most of us have to live with, you aint speshuuuul and you DO have a choice. that is all i said.

Would've been a lot better if you stated your ideas this clearly.
I beg to differ on your opinion about Archer Avoid though.

Let's think in a more insightful way. However you look at it, our problems aren't the same.

- Ranged classes have the liberty to spam their beloved attack button as long as they're in a set situation that is safe to attack. Your worries include trying to achieve that situation, which is enabled with the generous use of Puppet, (Blizzard), (mobility), avoid. Not much? But enough. Another worry is being raped from out of nowhere and no one can do anything about that.

- Drks had about the same amount of HP, takes damage from 95% of the hits delivered. Our 'optimal offensive' situation includes us standing 1 arm reach away from the monster, combined with our relatively slow attack speed, it is guaranteed that you have to push Pot AND attack keys for every mob you kill, be it single or multiple. (until you can 2hit things, that is)

We do have a choice to stay at our blessed HP level, but that is not what we chose to play as.
As a matter of fact, we're both here to tell him someone's having a worse time than him, but being completely irrelevant to a Drk's issue doesn't justify it. Your problems aren't even the same as his, which was the VERY FIRST THING AND ONLY THING I mentioned in response to your post, the rest was directed at HIM.

Irrelevant comparison is irrelevant. I seriously have heard more than enough of ranged people ranting about their fragility.

bosses dont frezze, and like i said even with ice, we do get hit, and we have to pot after each hit. and unlike you i dont have a choice on what hp i want to keep. fyi i have a 178 and a 168 MM so thats a crap load of fro time under my belt. i have been playing this game longer than i should have and i have played a 15x drk at skeles and ht. i do know a bit about this game and about most classes and i dont apreciate him or you saying something that is true to be irrelevant.

and yes, its all about lern2zerk or die. i am sure cave love there doesnt die 20 times a day anymore, he learned to zerk. just like ranged need to lern2pot when they move to places where theyget 2hit.

not sharing your view does not mean missinformed or ignorant, i do know what i am talking about and i do know that the problem you guys encounter with zerk in 4th job is what i have been dealing since i moved to strong monsters at 7x.

but hey, keep your circle of self pity and hate on me for being a ranged player, i mean whatthe hell do i know about low hp.

i have been playing this game longer than i should have and i have played a 15x drk at skeles and ht.

i mean whatthe hell do i know about low hp.

No, what the hell do you know about playing a low HP 12x Drk? If you really do know what you're talking about, how can you not realize the difference between playing a melee class and a ranged class, given that our HP levels are the same?

the problem you guys encounter with zerk in 4th job is what i have been dealing since i moved to strong monsters at 7x.

I beg to differ.. melees and ranged hardly have anything in common, except for the part that we both have to pot every hit. But the fashions we get hit aren't even the same.

But since it's come down to this

and yes, its all about lern2zerk or die.

Okay...

bosses dont frezze, and like i said even with ice, we do get hit, and we have to pot after each hit. and unlike you i dont have a choice on what hp i want to keep. fyi i have a 178 and a 168 MM so thats a crap load of fro time under my belt. i have been playing this game longer than i should have and i have played a 15x drk at skeles and ht. i do know a bit about this game and about most classes and i dont apreciate him or you saying something that is true to be irrelevant.

and yes, its all about lern2zerk or die. i am sure cave love there doesnt die 20 times a day anymore, he learned to zerk. just like ranged need to lern2pot when they move to places where theyget 2hit.

not sharing your view does not mean missinformed or ignorant, i do know what i am talking about and i do know that the problem you guys encounter with zerk in 4th job is what i have been dealing since i moved to strong monsters at 7x.

but hey, keep your circle of self pity and hate on me for being a ranged player, i mean whatthe hell do i know about low hp.

Bossing and training are two different subjects don't even go there. I don't know where you get this pitty crap, and hate for being a range character. I'm not pitying myself, yes its a lil frustrated, and once again I say I wanted to know if this was a personal or general matter.

Granted he learned to zerk but with a higher margin, your entire post consisted of "Well it could be worse, you could be like me, just go hp wash". His gave me numbers for goals, rest assured its not a personal problem and it is difficult with my zerk range and stated that getting max 30 zerk is a must asap. You may say that should be common since but in my mindset I thought Bf leeching for cash/training would be better in which i would need a higher leve stance, which is also much more affordable.

The fact is you're trying to say I'm whining and that range classes have it much harder. That is not always the case. Each class has some sort of skill that freezes/stuns or allows the player to run fast. Also with your 'oh so low hp" You can easily use anything that can heal 3.1k hp. Unfortunatly there isnt an NLC pot for that so I either have to settle for a barb elixer or a ginsing which adds 40% to my 39% zerk trigger. Obviously overpotting is a problem.

Your argument is invalid, irrelevent and lastly just plain silly.

Oh and what more is don't you find it quite intriguing that since your opinion has entered the thread its become anything but civil? Maybe that should be a hint.

anyways, why not zerk at himes w/ a polearm until you can 2hko skele? since youre hybrid and all and himes do < 2k youre a 3-4hko...

the argument isnt really going anywhere.

anyways, why not zerk at himes w/ a polearm until you can 2hko skele? since youre hybrid and all and himes do < 2k youre a 3-4hko...

the argument isnt really going anywhere.

Well, the problem with himes is I dont have any speed equips lol. Not only that but I get maybe 24% an hour on 4x, compared to skeles even without zerk is about 32% half an hour on 4x.

if you can train that fast, just level a few times and your problems will go away.

Just wanted to comment on MM training on monsters that can't be frozen and an archer's avoid.

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Here's a MM training on Guardian Captains of Regret w/ Blind. Those monsters can't be frozen, but she still manages to train there with Blind. However, even with Blind, her character is still getting hit pretty often and she has to pot after each hit.

Or do some crazy HP washing.