Obama Talks to Kids

There are two types of politicians: crooks that resign in disgrace due to scandal, and crooks that haven't been caught yet. The school I went to, Georgetown, is the best of three universities in Washington, DC, and resultantly, every wannabe senator ends up going there if his grades are good. A politician is two-faced: on the one hand he appears friendly and kind to make himself presentable to the voters, and on the other hand he is brutal, manipulative, and ruthless, because this is what it takes to rise to power in either the Dems or the Reps, and that is what it takes to do the backstabbing, compromises, and strong-arming that is inherent in being a politician in the first place. A genuine, kind, well-meaning person CANNOT be an effective politician, because combining the two faces I am talking about is inherently fake and sociopathic. The President of any country can send thousands of men to die, (Bush,) and then sleep soundly at night. The better a politician is, the worse a human being he is. Jimmy Carter, widely known for being a wonderful person who has done tons for the community since retiring from the Presidency, is also seen as one of the shiittiest Presidents in US history. He was too nice, and the commies ran him over. He was replaced by Reagan, who basically had no soul, and Reagan was a WONDERFUL president, because he had the personality for it. Reagan also had no friends.



Bush was a $hitty president, as I have said repeatedly even in this thread. However, he enjoyed a better economy, and his worst buttfuuck into the American people were Medicare Part D and the Iraq War. Only 8 months into office, Obama is being fairly competitive with those two spending-wise, and he has at least 3.something more years to spend spend spend more.



You're right, I misread your bit on the education. Sorries about that.

I'd rather not judge all people on a few bad people.. even if you'd wanna use that as a shield for yourself... I suppose you can say I'm blissfully ignorant in being to hopeful.. I'm also well aware of presedential power and the things they hide from america (I watch CNN and Comedy Centra too =D...off topic... do you somewhat aggree that in todays media those seem to be the ONLY things you can have as legitimate sources for polotics because of the bias in other News Networks?).

As i said Obama isn't a god.. the only thing i expect from him is that he doesn't Fk up so bad that america thinks every other black person will be like him

Actually I didn't think Bush did a good job, and I don't think Obama deserves to be murdered. That's you putting words in my mouth. You are one of those liberals that has no argumentative skills, (and it seems not too much education,) but you think being "progressive" makes you smart, and more correct than the other guy. Because fuucking in bushes and hugging trees is equivalent to a liberal-arts education in a reputable college.

Obama DOESN'T have any hopes or dreams for this country, because he's been president for a while now, and all he's done is increase the budget deficit to over 1 trillion. Obama is somebody that knows how to speak well, and sheep like you think that means he's a visionary and means well for you, when in reality, he's taking your tax dollars and wiping his contributors' asses with it. People get behind the guy they voted for and justify even ridiculous $hit he does, because they voted for him. That's you. It is delicious irony that you're telling me "ignorance is bliss" when your elected official is driving this country down the toilet, while the depression he promised to fix is in full swing, and none of that 1 trillion has done jack $hit about it. Bill Clinton was a democrat who knew what he was doing, but this guy is not Bill Clinton, he's just like Bush, and you're behind him for the same reason that rednecks were behind Bush.

Baawww all you want, talking to you is not worth anymore of my time. I have a bunch of liberal friends, (being in Chicago, not many conservatives around here,) but you're not a liberal, you're just a fool. You'd vote for Mao Zedong if the Democratic party put him up for President.

I suggest that you shut up and zip your mouth now because ignorance is radiating from your misinformed body. Talking to people like you is like talking to a wall.

Adhere to this and take his advice champ.

Bush was a $hitty president, as I have said repeatedly even in this thread. However, he enjoyed a better economy, and his worst buttfuuck into the American people were Medicare Part D and the Iraq War.

You truely must be ignorant to believe something like that. All Bush enjoyed was squandering what Clinton had left behind then leaving the country in $10 trillion of national debt, of which Bush personally added over 4 trillion of that. Both Obama and McCain were only going to add and make it worse. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center says McCain's plans would increase the national debt by $5 trillion over the next 10 years, while Obama's would increase the debt by $3.5 trillion. Wether you want to admit it or not, America elected the lesser of 2 evils. America could actually be in a much worse state if your precious republicans were elected.


I'm not an American, I dont live in America, I dont support either side and really dont care wether the country prospers or burns. I dont agree with everything Obama has done thus far, yet I can see the positive effects its having on the world not just America wether its superficial or not.

It's not our fault that people like Quantact are unreasonable.

Sadly we cant help him better himself either, hes' one doomed to be a blind sheep for his perferred political party and would gladly turn blue in the face in disagreement no matter what changes the other party made no matter how beneficial they may be.

Come, let's leave before the unreasonable king comes back and blabbers more blah.

As much as I want to actually discuss this im going to have to agree with you. Pointless time wasted educating a callow person is pointless.

I'd rather not judge all people on a few bad people.. even if you'd wanna use that as a shield for yourself... I suppose you can say I'm blissfully ignorant in being to hopeful.. I'm also well aware of presedential power and the things they hide from america (I watch CNN and Comedy Centra too =D...off topic... do you somewhat aggree that in todays media those seem to be the ONLY things you can have as legitimate sources for polotics because of the bias in other News Networks?).

As i said Obama isn't a god.. the only thing i expect from him is that he doesn't Fk up so bad that america thinks every other black person will be like him

Judging "all people" and judging "all politicians" are two different things. I am not judging them based on their skin color or national origin, but rather on the skills and temperament needed to do their job. As somebody who's been around WAY too many politicians in my time, I can assure you that a politician's skills and temperament would strike the general public as fraudulent and dishonest if they ever actually saw the true side of him. He IS "useful" to society because politics is necessary to society, but he is definitely not a good person. If he's a good person, his conscience will almost certainly cause him to leave the political arena before he gets very far becuase of the moral and ideological compromises involved.

In nations where the media is the government's propaganda arm, (such as in China and Iran,) you cannot gain accurate information from it. In a place like America, where CNN competes with Fox and New York Times competes with the Washington Post, you can get fairly accurate information by reading and watching enough. Also keep in mind that both political parties have a vested interest in disclosing each other's faults to the public, (that's part of the checks-and-balances system,) so if you can see through all the spin, you can actually gain a pretty good idea of what's going on.

I haven't read the whole thread, but let me just throw in my two cents:

Bush's "cheap political stunts" like speeches about education were just that because he did nothing beneficial for education. Take it from the son of a teacher who has worked in the profession since Clinton, in eight years of his presidency the only prominent thing Bush did for education was the No Child Left Behind Act, legislation that was idealistic at best. It doesn't work in the reality of the American school system, with examples ranging from mentally-handicapped children to ELL students being forced to take a standardized test in English when they've only been studying the language for three weeks. None of you who support the Act have been in my mother's shoes watching a child cry because they don't understand what a question is asking and the teacher can't help because she cannot help them answer the questions, much less speak the student's foreign language.

Yet in 8 years he managed to start horribly unjustified war campaigns, use up our national surplus, and screw over the average American.

Obama actually has PLANS for education, far greater than those of our former President. If people weren't so stubborn about health care reform and took the time to become educated, both logically and emotionally (in terms of learning of the experiences of those without health care or unable to afford), we would already we done with this issue. He's so preoccupied with health care right now that we'll be lucky to get to global warming by November, an issue that was scheduled and delayed from this summer.

Bottom line, people like to whine and complain when they really don't know anything about an issue. There's a reason a term exists called "Public Awareness," and why people have to spread such awareness for almost every issue - no one bothers to educate themselves anymore. Pop culture is about having fun, getting hammered, having sex - not working to become a productive contributor to society, no matter how hard artists and celebrities work to show they personally are.

I am "whining" abuot stuff I don't know about? That's news to me, I have a poli sci degree from Georgetown and I keep pretty close eye on the news. Very nice ad-hominem you got there.

Bush's bullshiit justifies Obama's bullshiit? "Bush is worse than Liberal X, therefore Liberal X is not so bad." A fairly common bumper sticker is "no one died when Clinton lied." In the incredibly honest and "common sense" and "fair and balanced" world of liberalism, Clinton's perjury before the entire fuucking country is justified because of Bush didn't do well as president; as if the two are somehow connected.

Here's Slick Willie doing what he does best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs

Obama has "big plans" for everything because he plans to spend God-knows-how-much on everything. He'll squander billions upon billions, parade his "successes" in front of the riff-raff that elected him, (who will then re-elect him because he bounced the welfare-grubbers an extra 250 dollars at taxpayer expense,) and then the real taxpayers will be paying for his hope-and-change bullshiit for the next 50 years. Theoreticaly, any administration can accomplish "everything" in its agenda by jacking up taxes enough to spend that much money on it. That guy is spending a fortune this country does not have, in a time when money is tight for everybody that has a job. The most critical thing he has been elected to do -- restore the economy -- has not been done. Don't give me spin otherwise, it hasn't. Businesses in my area are closing to the point where some mini-malls are full of empty storefronts, people are trying to sell their homes right and left, and mostly failing. The stock market is not doing too well. People are losing their jobs; a good friend of mine lost her job as a fast-food restaurant manager, it took her 6 weeks to land a job at frigging McDonald's, she has 7 years experience. My dad got laid off too, by some miracle he was lucky enough to find another job, but it was pure luck, as the position opened up when he lost his job, and he estimated it would have been gone in two weeks tops. Yeah, very nice economy we got here.

By the way, speaking of parents that know about what Obama's doing, my mom's a physician with 35 years experience, she is certain if Obama pushes through this socialist health care bull$hit, it will crash the healthcare system in this country. The vast majority of physicians she works with feel the same way. I myself worked in healthcare 4 years, I see what Obama's up to. I know somebody taht lives in a country with the healthcare system Obama's trying to push through, it took her 8 fuucking months to get an appointment for a rather nasty, (though not-emergency,) health condition; she is currently stuck waiting for another office, in a similar manner. In America, whether you got Blue Cross/Blue Shield PPO or are on welfare with public aid, you can see the doctor TODAY. Obama plans to change that, and if you think otherwise, you don't understand the issue in question. But fear not, Obama's true believers will believe Obama over people that actually work in health care for a living. Because lyiing scumbag politicians can be trusted over other people; but that's socialism.

Having problems with this is not "whining," it is realistic and honest criticism. I don't care how you spin it, you will not convince me that I am living in a good economy because I am NOT living in a good economy. And this swindler, your Obamafuuck, has been in office 8 months, and he's done jack $hit other than increase the deficit to an unholy amount. This recession/depression is JUST AS BAD if not WORSE than when he came to office. End of story. If this guy was a Republican, you would be screaming for his resignation. The true believers are still behind Obama, (seems you're one of them,) but the rest of the country is starting to lose faith in him, as is reflected in the presidential approval polls, and that's also something you can't spin away. I just hope in three years he's replaced with somebody that wants to fix the country, rather than take it apart while singing to everybody about fixing it.

I am "whining" abuot stuff I don't know about? That's news to me, I have a poli sci degree from Georgetown and I keep pretty close eye on the news. Very nice ad-hominem you got there.

Bush's bullshiit justifies Obama's bullshiit? "Bush is worse than Liberal X, therefore Liberal X is not so bad." A fairly common bumper sticker is "no one died when Clinton lied." In the incredibly honest and "common sense" and "fair and balanced" world of liberalism, Clinton's perjury before the entire fuucking country is justified because of Bush didn't do well as president; as if the two are somehow connected.

Here's Slick Willie doing what he does best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs

Obama has "big plans" for everything because he plans to spend God-knows-how-much on everything. He'll squander billions upon billions, parade his "successes" in front of the riff-raff that elected him, (who will then re-elect him because he bounced the welfare-grubbers an extra 250 dollars at taxpayer expense,) and then the real taxpayers will be paying for his hope-and-change bullshiit for the next 50 years. Theoreticaly, any administration can accomplish "everything" in its agenda by jacking up taxes enough to spend that much money on it. That guy is spending a fortune this country does not have, in a time when money is tight for everybody that has a job. The most critical thing he has been elected to do -- restore the economy -- has not been done. Don't give me spin otherwise, it hasn't. Businesses in my area are closing to the point where some mini-malls are full of empty storefronts, people are trying to sell their homes right and left, and mostly failing. The stock market is not doing too well. People are losing their jobs; a good friend of mine lost her job as a fast-food restaurant manager, it took her 6 weeks to land a job at frigging McDonald's, she has 7 years experience. My dad got laid off too, by some miracle he was lucky enough to find another job, but it was pure luck, as the position opened up when he lost his job, and he estimated it would have been gone in two weeks tops. Yeah, very nice economy we got here.

By the way, speaking of parents that know about what Obama's doing, my mom's a physician with 35 years experience, she is certain if Obama pushes through this socialist health care bull$hit, it will crash the healthcare system in this country. The vast majority of physicians she works with feel the same way. I myself worked in healthcare 4 years, I see what Obama's up to. I know somebody taht lives in a country with the healthcare system Obama's trying to push through, it took her 8 fuucking months to get an appointment for a rather nasty, (though not-emergency,) health condition; she is currently stuck waiting for another office, in a similar manner. In America, whether you got Blue Cross/Blue Shield PPO or are on welfare with public aid, you can see the doctor TODAY. Obama plans to change that, and if you think otherwise, you don't understand the issue in question. But fear not, Obama's true believers will believe Obama over people that actually work in health care for a living. Because lyiing scumbag politicians can be trusted over other people; but that's socialism.

Having problems with this is not "whining," it is realistic and honest criticism. I don't care how you spin it, you will not convince me that I am living in a good economy because I am NOT living in a good economy. And this swindler, your Obamafuuck, has been in office 8 months, and he's done jack $hit other than increase the deficit to an unholy amount. This recession/depression is JUST AS BAD if not WORSE than when he came to office. End of story. If this guy was a Republican, you would be screaming for his resignation. The true believers are still behind Obama, (seems you're one of them,) but the rest of the country is starting to lose faith in him, as is reflected in the presidential approval polls, and that's also something you can't spin away. I just hope in three years he's replaced with somebody that wants to fix the country, rather than take it apart while singing to everybody about fixing it.

The entire point of obama releasing this healthcare plan is to save the country from a check we can't afford. I don't know what type of "physician" your mother is but majority of the USA doesn't have enough hands to handle the demand of health. Obama is instituting something european countries still use today, and it's to lower traffic from people that have a small cough or boo boo wasting a physician's time. Your terms, like most of your post is over-exaggerated. How do I know this? Let's see, first you claim the economy isn't doing well, yet in the past two days it has raised 20 points and I don't know anyone personally having job trouble. For example, my father wasn't laid off but put his 2 weeks in from his previous job and was able to get a higher paying, and higher reknowned job no problems. A matter a fact I know all of my friends have jobs this summer. To be quite frank the job situation varies from state to state, but you already knew that most likely and failed to comment on it as it fought against your argument.

You should also know other factors to Obama's promises would of course be changed after the election because there are things, crucial I might add that only the president knows and are hidden from the public. This is out of safety of our survelaince and keeping the countries order intact. That should just be a common understanding.

I also find it hypocritical how you gloat about our education system yet talk as if our politicians are utterly retarded. Stop talking on both sides of your mouth. You are pretty much saying all politicians are only there for their personal benefit. That's not entirely the case, maybe you forget the purpose of congress because you really are underminding the balance it holds. It's two parties fighting for their opinion, of course they are going to think they are right, of course they understand the repercussions but opinions of man greatly differ when laddering which ones worse.

Maybe if you were talking in a civil manner, with respect I might add to other's opinion's, rather than talk down to them as if every way but your way will fail the economy, this wouldn't be such a hostile debate.

Seriously, you have 4 year degree, whos trying to ram heads with people in office who have had decades of experience.

Take the stick out of your ass already jesus christ.

Ya know, I've been lurking in this thread for a lil while reading political opinions but I can't tolerate your ignorance any longer. Seriously you are possibly one of the biggest flaming trolls in this dam website that has spawned, from probably the depths of sleepywood.

Stopped reading right there. Have fun reading your own tl;dr. I mean SURELY you wouldn't want to talk to "possibly one of the biggest flaming trolls in this dam website that has spawned," and he doesn't want to talk to you either. Have a nice day.

Stopped reading right there. Have fun reading your own tl;dr.

There I edited it out for you? Anymore excuses or are you going to complain some more about your indirect boss. But I'm sure as an ex maple addict your opinion has so much value. Way to dodge the painfully obvious truth.

You know it's even more ironic that you talk and act like the very politicians you critisize.

Sickening to say the least.

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First things first, I wasn't referring to you. I read several of your posts before responding, all of which were formed well with intelligent, reasonable arguments. I'm more referring to the "fad" culture of contemporary America, where the average American is more concerned with looking good for their friends and supporting the latest "in" thing (be it going green, Barack Obama, Starbucks Coffee, or Uggs) rather than educating themselves about the issues or "fads" they're immersing themselves in and becoming smart, competent consumers and citizens. Again, you do NOT fall into this category, and I commend and congratulate you on your degree from Georgetown; my close friend started their this year .

However, I won't get in to details because there's a larger issue, I feel, in your response to me than anything else. Details are details; arguments and debates are based off of information that's relevant because any controversial has two sides that can be supported with legitimate information. In this case I can't refute your points by directly debunking them, but instead (and again, I won't do this) could only offer my response in the debate with more information supporting a plan like this. In the end, I believe the ideas are great; call me idealistic, but whether you agree with it or not plenty of advanced democracies, like you noted, have better health care systems that cater to all of their citizens rather than the ones who can afford it. My final comment will be regarding your friend in the other country. I believe you said:

it took her 8 fuucking months to get an appointment for a rather nasty, (though not-emergency,) health condition; she is currently stuck waiting for another office, in a similar manner.

Congratulations, she's still alive. It only took Obama less than 20 minutes in his health care address to Congress to describe two instances in which a person DIED because they were DENIED health care, and another whose severe health condition became EXTREMELY LIFE THREATENING because she was DENIED care. Your friend is not dead, nor has she been denied care. What's the explanation for having her wait? Most likely more people in front of her with more serious conditions, so she was delayed. I guarantee you if her condition became life-threatening she would have gotten in immediately. Want to use some logic here? When an entire country is insured, there will be more trips made to the doctor's. How many people in America don't go when they need to, because of the costs, whether they're insured or not? So we need more health care infrastructure and health care professionals in order to handle the influx of patients under universal health care reform. Bingo, more jobs. Bingo, new motives for students to aspire to careers as doctors, which is more evidence for the need of a speech like the one Obama delivered. I'm not saying the system in the nation where your friend resides is good; it sounds like it, or the amount of available health care facilities/professionals, needs to be worked on. But I can tell you right American health care is HORRIBLE, even worse than that.

And using your own term, "you can't spin that away."

I love debating with people, though being a freshman in college I'm sure you'd love to pound me into the dirt. Go right ahead; I'll put up as best a challenge I can (though I think we should take it to PMs if you want to continue). My only request is that you treat me and others you debate with the respect they deserve as cognizant human beings, which is the final contention I wanted to outline after reading your response. While your post contained many excellent points and pathological examples, cursing and calling names (calling programs and people "Obamafuuck" and "bull$hit"), no matter how valid your points may seem, make you seem arrogant, stubborn, close-minded, and altogether less intelligent and mature for having the inability to choose your words and phrase your manner better. No matter how upset you may be, always remember that in a debate you must be professional and mature with your comments. And please don't disregard that comment simply because I'm younger than you. As a prominent Floridian journalist once said after being insulted and demeaned for his presentation of contentions, "I have just won the debate, because you were unable to counter my argument with anything but meaningless vulgarity."

All in all, this has been a great debate and I'd again love to continue if you wish, though not flooding a public thread endlessly.

To be honest, I don't want to argue anymore in this thread, not becasue you're not raising good points, and not because I can't raise some back ,but because I am just pretty sick of arguing.

I will say it's better to talk to a person with opposing opinions who has something better to conclude with than "republicans should get out of the country." I was beginning to lose hope for humanity there for a while.

To be honest, I don't want to argue anymore in this thread, not becasue you're not raising good points, and not because I can't raise some back ,but because I am just pretty sick of arguing.

I will say it's better to talk to a person with opposing opinions who has something better to conclude with than "republicans should get out of the country." I was beginning to lose hope for humanity there for a while.

Haha, yea really. I do agree with you there.

Hey, we're both friends with a lot of the same people (I think) in Khaini...if you want, we could always go on Ventrilo and discuss/debate. It would be a lot nicer than breaking fingers and developing carpal tunnel xD. But yea, if you ever want to discuss/debate/talk just let me know; I love discussing any and all issues, and getting the chance to do so with a Georgetown poly sci alum would be awesome.

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Little shout out: I love DC and have been there 4 or so times (practically know the subway system like the back of my hand), and have relatives that work in the government. I'll even name the three universities - American University, The George Washington University, and Georgetown University. I applied for and decided not to added GWU, but yea, love the city

I wouldn't mind talking, but politics is something I try not to talk about too much... I have democrat friends, but that's because "common sense," (not as defined by politicians, but rather by human beings,) is the same for liberals and conservatives. Believing in helping your family/raising your kids well, treating soldiers or police well if you meet them outside of their job, being good to your friends, etc., are not "Republican" or "Democrat" values. However, with friends of the opposite political party, you've got to stay away from crap like abortion, death penalty, gun control, etc. Those things are not things either of you will change, but habitually talking about them will get you extremely pissed at each other, therefore politics is usually a topic best discussed infrequently.

If you want to discuss Maple/video games, college, family issues, etc., that's another story... shoot me your msn/aim, (or i can do it,) and we'll talk. Though please no more politics, my brain is about to blow up.

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You're calling me all this $hit, but you're the one that only joined on 9/12/09 and you ALREADY managed to get yourself banned; I've been here since the first couple days of this forum's existence, (for well over a year,) I haven't been banned yet. So, in terms of our disagreement as to who's the real troll between the two of us, you settled that matter for yourself by asshating for 7+ infraction points within two days. Thank you and have a nice day.

not that many people would check your posts, and they would have to search you by name because you dont seem to have a post count which means all your posts are in social. cant speak for quantact but searching you out by name is more work than i would put into finding anything you(or anyone else) ever posted.