[Random] Speed/Damage calculations

48ATK - 30 ATK = 18 ATK
47 STR - 20 STR = 27 STR

hes pointing out the difference between a perfect 30%d and a perfect chaosed shield

Hmm, an interesting calculation-setup you've made. I'm tempted to find out what's best with the strongest possible equips, though this would not happen in my lifetime I assume:

Code:

I'd like to assume the same things as you do:
* Weapon Speed is no factor.
* The Characters are based on a level 200 999 STR 23 DEX Warrior
* Best available equips are provided
* Equips does not expire
* Max maple Warrior is in effect

We can already calculate the Maple Warrior part, as it is based on base stats:
Maple Warrior bonus:
99 str
2 dex

Now, we'll go somewhat badass with the equips, all chaosed:
Gold Earrings:
5 dex base --> 30 dex chaosed.

Horntail Pendant:
9 str base --> 19 str chaosed --> 34 str
9 dex base --> 19 dex chaosed --> 34 dex

OR

Mark of Naricain:
6 str
6 dex
12 watt

Zakum Helmet:
17 str base --> 67 str chaosed
17 dex base --> 67 dex chaosed

Purple Lucida*:
7 str base --> 42 str chaosed
4 dex base --> 39 dex chaosed
[Assuming not gachaponable]

Purple Lucida Skirt*:
5 str base --> 40 str chaosed
4 dex base --> 39 dex chaosed
[Assuming not gachaponable]

Facestompers:
2 watt --> 27 watt chaosed

Brown Work Gloves:
3 watt by 30% scrolling, 6 slots left --> 33 watt chaosed

Taru Spirit Cape:
5 str --> 30 str chaosed
3 watt --> 28 watt chaosed

Raccoon Mask:
1 dex by 30% scrolling, 6 slots left --> 31 dex chaosed

Branch Nose*:
4 str base --> 4 str, 2 dex by 30% scrolling, 9 slots left --> 49 str, 42 dex
[The one which doesn't expire]

Maple Shield:
3 watt, 2 str by 30% scrolling, 9 slots left --> 48 watt, 47 str

Lunchbox:
109 watt base --> 114 watt, 3 str --> 144 watt, 33 str chaosed

Claymore:
112 watt base --> 117 watt, 3 str --> 147 watt, 33 str chaosed

Based on these items, we get:

Total str:
  999
  99
  34 or 6
  67
  42
  40
  30
  49
  47 for 1h
+ 33
= 1363 or 1335 str for 2h
  1410 or 1382 str for 1h
  
Total dex:
  23
  2
  30
  34 or 6
  67
  39
  39
  31
+ 42
= 307 or 279 dex

Total watt:
  0 or 12
  27
  33
  28
  48 for 1h
  144
+ 3 for 2h
= 237 or 249 for 2h
  282 or 294 for 1h
  
So, summing it up:

For HT-pendant:
2h: 1393 str, 307 dex, 235 watt
1h: 1440 str, 307 dex, 280 watt

For MoN:
2h: 1365 str, 279 dex, 247 watt
1h: 1412 str, 279 dex, 292 watt

Based on base damage from the formulas you've obtained:

2h Sword Base Damage Formula: [str * 4.6 + dex] * (watt / 100)
1h Sword Base Damage Formula: [str * 4.0 + dex] * (watt / 100)

We get this:

--- BASE STATS ---
For HT-pendant:
2h: (1393 * 4.6 + 307) * (235 / 100) = 15779.8
1h: (1440 * 4.0 + 307) * (280 / 100) = 16987.6

For MoN:
2h: (1365 * 4.6 + 279) * (247 / 100) = 16198.3
1h: (1412 * 4.0 + 279) * (292 / 100) = 17306.8

--- APPLE STATS ---
For HT-pendant:
2h: (1393 * 4.6 + 307) * (335 / 100) = 22494.6
1h: (1440 * 4.0 + 307) * (380 / 100) = 23054.6

For MoN:
2h: (1365 * 4.6 + 279) * (347 / 100) = 22756.3
1h: (1412 * 4.0 + 279) * (392 / 100) = 23233.8

--- GELT STATS ---
For HT-pendant:
2h: (1393 * 4.6 + 307) * (355 / 100) = 23837.5
1h: (1440 * 4.0 + 307) * (400 / 100) = 24268.0

For MoN:
2h: (1365 * 4.6 + 279) * (367 / 100) = 24067.9
1h: (1412 * 4.0 + 279) * (412 / 100) = 24419.2

--- DEMON ELIXIR STATS ---
For HT-pendant:
2h: (1393 * 4.6 + 307) * (375 / 100) = 25180.5
1h: (1440 * 4.0 + 307) * (420 / 100) = 25481.4

For MoN:
2h: (1365 * 4.6 + 279) * (387 / 100) = 25379.5
1h: (1412 * 4.0 + 279) * (432 / 100) = 25604.6

Summary:
1-handed sword weilders win in all cases.
But that requires a lot of chaos scrolls,
and a ton of luck with that lunchbox.

Noah

Noah, use the Taru Spirit Cape instead of Blackfist Cloak.

Code:

Blackfist Cloak
5 wAtk --> 30 wAtk

Taru Spirit Cape
3 wAtk --> 28 wAtk
5 STR  --> 30 STR

I can pretty much guarantee you that you'll get higher numbers with this. The 85 DEX requirement is satisfied by the DEX given from the other equipment =P (unless Nexon changed this)

Noah, use the Taru Spirit Cape instead of Blackfist Cloak.

Code:

Blackfist Cloak
5 wAtk --> 30 wAtk

Taru Spirit Cape
3 wAtk --> 28 wAtk
5 STR  --> 30 STR

I can pretty much guarantee you that you'll get higher numbers with this. The 85 DEX requirement is satisfied by the DEX given from the other equipment =P (unless Nexon changed this)

Yeah, I got higher numbers with that one. Thanks

Wow though, the difference between the two is less than 1% with demon elixirs.

Noah

Perfect gear is completely unrealistic. We need to think in terms of what is available. What we have is decent DS's (120ish atk?), 20-21 attack shields, and 1H GM scrolls. 1H is going to win out in most cases because making a perfect 1H sword has become almost childsplay, compared to making a perfect 2H sword.

I think i calculated out at one point, that with slightly above average gear, and a perfect lunchbox with a 20atk shield; You'd need almost a 130atk DS to compete with it. A perfect DS is definitely hard to compete with when using apples and speed infusion, but it is 20 times harder to make than a perfect 1H.

There's no a way a DS could even come close to the damage of a perfect lunchbox and 20 att shield. Without SI, the DS would have to be 172 att (lulz), and with SI, the DS would have to be 139 att, which is still impossible.

There's no a way a DS could even come close to the damage of a perfect lunchbox and 20 att shield. Without SI, the DS would have to be 172 att (lulz), and with SI, the DS would have to be 139 att, which is still impossible.

137 attack isn't good enough, eh? (gach)

Oh well, like me as much as you want to. Whatever.

There's no a way a DS could even come close to the damage of a perfect lunchbox and 20 att shield. Without SI, the DS would have to be 172 att (lulz), and with SI, the DS would have to be 139 att, which is still impossible.

Never say impossible unless it's been proven beyond a doubt that it's impossible. And that doesn't look impossible.

Since you're using a Lunchbox for comparison, mind as well bust out the Dragon Claymore for your entertainment.

There's no a way a DS could even come close to the damage of a perfect lunchbox and 20 att shield. Without SI, the DS would have to be 172 att (lulz), and with SI, the DS would have to be 139 att, which is still impossible.

Haha, yeah, that's wrong, sorry.
You made me dive back into my Hero calculator to find out exactly how it compares.

Stats are: Dexless lvl 171 Hero, on Apple and S.I.

15 glove
7 cape
20/2 top
3/14 bottom
2/4 FS
15/24 zhelm
10atk MoN
MW20
etc, you get the point.

144/21 LB + 20/10 shield = 130/18 DS (The DS is actually slightly SLIGHTLY higher avg damage)

for more reference:

LB total w.atk = 298, range: 6814-12455
DS total w.atk = 264, range: 6831-12505

Oh, well I didn't factor in an apple.