HP-washing without INT?

While doing some work on my ever-growing LOLPALLY guide, I think I just stumbled on something rather crazy...

The data assembled below has the following assumptions:

• You can salvage SP lost from lvling a Beginner past lvl 10. For example, you advance your lvl 13 Beginner into a lvl 13 Warrior. You'll have 10 SP.
• Improved Max HP Increase skill is maxed ASAP.
• All of LazyBui's information is correct.
  • You can add AP into HP and AP-reset MP afterwards, assuming you meet requirements.
  • AP-reseting MP will always take out the maximum of 4 MP per AP.
  • You gain 10-12 MP as a Beginner, and 4-6 MP as a Warrior.
  • You gain 12-16 HP as a Beginner, and 64-68 HP as a Warrior with maxed Improved Max HP Increase skill.
• The optimal HP-washing method is valid.
• INT = 0, for simplicity, since I don't know what 4 INT might do, if anything.
• Table data represents average figures, and it does not take into account possible variations where the RNG can fk you up.

(please excuse the HP numbers in the upper right part of the table, as they include the avg HP bonus from advancement when this obviously can't happen until the advancement itself)

 HP per level

Levels past 10 as a Beginner	0	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
Level
10	401	401	401	401	401	401	401	401	401	401	401
11	427	415	415	415	415	415	415	415	415	415	415
12	453	441	429	429	429	429	429	429	429	429	429
13	487	475	463	443	443	443	443	443	443	443	443
14	545	521	509	489	457	457	457	457	457	457	457
15	591	579	567	547	515	471	471	471	471	471	471
16	657	645	633	613	581	537	485	485	485	485	485
17	723	711	699	679	647	603	551	499	499	499	499
18	789	777	765	745	713	669	617	565	513	513	513
19	855	843	831	811	779	735	683	631	579	527	527
20	921	909	897	877	845	801	749	697	645	593	541
21	987	975	963	943	911	867	815	763	711	659	607
22	1053	1041	1029	1009	977	933	881	829	777	725	673
23	1119	1107	1095	1075	1043	999	947	895	843	791	739
24	1185	1173	1161	1141	1109	1065	1013	961	909	857	805
25	1251	1239	1227	1207	1175	1131	1079	1027	975	923	871
26	1317	1305	1293	1273	1241	1197	1145	1093	1041	989	937
27	1383	1371	1359	1339	1307	1263	1211	1159	1107	1055	1003
28	1449	1437	1425	1405	1373	1329	1277	1225	1173	1121	1069
29	1515	1503	1491	1471	1439	1395	1343	1291	1239	1187	1135
30	1581	1569	1557	1537	1505	1461	1409	1357	1305	1253	1201
Washes	5	6.5	8	9.5	11	12.5	14	15.5	17	18.5	20
Result	1841	1841	2005	2005	2085	2085	2137	2137	2189	2189	2241

Of course, there's the problem of lvling a Beginner, but other than that, this is suggesting that you can HP-wash to much greater effect without having to resort to costly INT equipment.

Is this all true, and that I'm not deceiving myself somehow?

lol, I'd consider this idea as "old".

I wouldn't really bother, anyway. There's not much point of having max hp as a paladin. Trust me.

Nah I don't plan on restarting, and I'm an NX-less hoe anyways (other than the event prize). My only interest in having max HP is to test the limits of the game =P

Nah I don't plan on restarting, and I'm an NX-less hoe anyways (other than the event prize). My only interest in having max HP is to test the limits of the game =P

I myself would assume it will be possible, but all in all, I would rather invest in int-equipment

If I'm counting right, you use 12 extra washes at the extreme case (level 20).

Cost of 12 washes (bera mts:nx) = ~120mil

You can get pretty decent int gear for that price and won't be lacking the 600 hp you have to wash just to catch up >_<

I guess it's better if you're gonna be spending a ton on washing anyway.

I'd be more interested in seeing a study of how much int gear is necessary to max your HP by 200, depending what your hp&mp&level is.

If I'm counting right, you use 12 extra washes at the extreme case (level 20).

Cost of 12 washes (bera mts:nx) = ~120mil

You can get pretty decent int gear for that price and won't be lacking the 600 hp you have to wash just to catch up >_<

I guess it's better if you're gonna be spending a ton on washing anyway.

I'd be more interested in seeing a study of how much int gear is necessary to max your HP by 200, depending what your hp&mp&level is.

A study, or a formula? I worked out the formula already and have it in my guide. As for the actual INT options from equips, I did not do anything of that sort.

The formula is in the last CODE box in case you're lazy to read how to derive such a formula.

 Spoiler

[SIZE="4"]INT requirements for complete HP-washing[/SIZE]
Ever wanted to HP-wash for the benefits of having Maximum Max HP? This topic looks specifically into this subject. You can either have 18750 HP and have HB carry you up to 30k HP, or go all the way to the top and have 30k HP without HB. These set of calculations assumes that the Minimum Max MP, MP earned per lvl up, and MP earned per AP in this guide are true.

Code:

Minimum Max MP: Level * 4 + C, where C is a constant, probably 155.
MP per level up: 5 ± 1 + (INT/10)
MP per AP applied: 3 ± 1

For the sake of simplicity, we'll assume that the warrior has already advanced to 2nd job and has maxed the skill Improved Max HP Increase, as well as assuming that Max HP earned by AP and Max HP/MP earned by level will always be the average result. For this equation, we'll use the mathematical notation Δ (delta) to signify the difference between the initial and the final value of the variable. For example, ΔLevel between 2nd and 3rd job advancement would be 40. It's a lot more convenient than having to write out Target Level - Current Level or something like that over and over. For clarification in the order of operations, ΔLevel * 4 = (Target Level - Current Level) * 4.

First, we'll have to find out how much AP it will take to reach your target HP desired via HP-washing. We'll do this by finding out the total HP that needs to be covered after leveling up, then find out how much AP it will take to make up for the difference.

Code:

AP needed to cover additional Max HP:
(ΔMax HP - (ΔLevel * 66)) / 52

Next, we'll find out how much spare Max MP is already in store by comparing the current Max MP and the minimum Max MP formula. We'll also add spare MP you may earn by leveling.

Code:

Spare Max MP:
Current Max MP - (Current Level * 4 + 155) + ΔLevel

From those two numbers, we can determine how much more INT is needed to scrap up enough Max MP to convert into AP. Convert the AP required for the Max HP into Max MP, then find out how much Max MP you need to generate using INT, then distribute this amount over the amount of levels you plan on doing this for.

Code:

INT needed per level for sufficient HP-washing:
[((ΔMax HP - (ΔLevel * 66)) / 52) * 4 - (Current Max MP - (Current Level * 4 + 155) + ΔLevel)] * (10 / ΔLevel)

In conclusion, it's rather easy to HP-wash up to 18750 base Max HP; roughly less than 30 INT if you've had a good start. HP-washing up to 30k base Max HP is nearly 3 times harder though.

Keep in mind that 10 INT upon leveling up gives you 1 extra Max MP. This is a fact generally accepted by the community as a guideline, but we do not know how the exact mechanism works. To compensate for this error, just round up to the nearest 10 INT. Better be safe than sorry!

In addition, in the older days of Maplestory, new characters started with 50 Max MP. As of currently, all newly generated characters start with 5 Max MP. If you had an old character that started with 50 Max MP instead, that's 11 additional HP washes!

Hmm, only need 44 int at current level (123), better than I thought I guess I should invest in some cheap cape+earrings+overall.


At level 10 my swordman(page) had only 103 MP so I'm not sure that anyone outside of beta started with 50. I've had it since Bera opened. :x I believe beginners gain 11 on average, so 103-99 = ~4 to start.


You might also consider doing a prewash if you're that concerned about HP:

Hit 35 str. Dump the rest into MP. As a beginner you gain 8~10 per AP? Anyway it's definitely higher than a Warrior's. So when you reset those, you are getting an extra 4-6 mp per time.

If you do this 12 times (same #washes as your 20 beginner needs to catch up in hp) you have an extra 60 mp, for 780 potential hp gain. I'd say this is definitely better than leveling a beginner

Hit 35 str. Dump the rest into MP. As a beginner you gain 8~10 per AP? Anyway it's definitely higher than a Warrior's. So when you reset those, you are getting an extra 4-6 mp per time.

If you do this 12 times (same #washes as your 20 beginner needs to catch up in hp) you have an extra 60 mp, for 780 potential hp gain. I'd say this is definitely better than leveling a beginner

in fact, you could level your beginner to 12 without actually losing out on anything since you need 5 points in hp recovery to make hpmax increase accessible. assuming a 35/4/4/4 build, you could dump 38 ap into mp before losing any hp. for a much higher hp gain. but itd be expensive, since you have to wash those 38 ap twice to get any benefit to hp.