Wtp is so bad about Rage?

Yea, generally, people should say something like "Don't use Rage, I'm using X potion" even though the math proves to be in the other people's favor most of the time. <_<

And I tend to ask for any major complaints ahead of time. :X

I don't really use pots on this, and sincerely, if I did once, I'd give everyone one of those potions, so there's no need for rage until it runs out. But... Well, it's not really needed.

I follow pretty simple rules when it comes to rage.

When I train normally, I use rage. It saves money, it' not a dramatically huge difference, and ffs what kind of fighter/sader/hero would I be if I turned my back on my own talents?!

When I fight HARDER bosses, I use attack pots. Geist = Pansy, rage for him. Papulatus, Pianus, Zakum = Attack pots (Apples only on Zakum and up, it's a waste on Pap/Pia.) So I never worry about raging over other people in boss parties. If they ask for rage, I tell them to not be a cheapskate and get some bloody pots.

The only questionable time is when I train with other high level people. If I train with lower levels (Which I sometimes do) I just rage. They can go screw themself if they really think I crippled their damage. When I do train with higher levels, I first ask if they want rage. If I accidentally rage them, I just give them a warrior elixir to make up for the one I wasted. If they wasted an apple on training, I slap them. Apples for training = serious waste of money, minus well just buy leech and go watch a movie for that high of a cost.

as a bloodless DrK I always have warrior elixirs on me but if a sader is in my party I don't mind them raging. It's just annoying when you're in places like pap and you wait forever for them to rage.....and you finally think hmmm maybe they are gonna use an att pot because they aren't raging.....so i'll use an att pot. Soon as I do it gets raged off....lol never fails.

I'd just say if you're gonna rage...then rage properly no one's gonna whine unless they're just annoying little dmg whore brats. I think it's just the noobs saders/fighters not knowing how to rage properly giving all of em a bad rap? =/

Using an Onyx Apple for CPQ...?

Excuse me for a moment. *walks to the other side of the world* ... *laughter can be heard*

*ahem* Anyway...

I hardly use attack pots so I couldn't care less if I'm being Raged. Heck, it's better for me, saves money. Why use an attack pot with a Fighter in the party? That's like... you're spending 5k for 2 attack. Dear Lord, talk about a waste of money. Save it for when there ISN'T a Fighter in the party because most of the time, Fighters will use Rage out of habit and that's an even bigger waste if you're using Elixers. At least I did anyway, when I had my Fighter.

I would only use an attack pot when I'm training without a Fighter. And even then, I hardly use them. They don't really matter much in lower levels to me.

I hardly use attack pots so I couldn't care less if I'm being Raged. Heck, it's better for me, saves money. Why use an attack pot with a Fighter in the party? That's like... you're spending 5k for 2 attack. Dear Lord, talk about a waste of money.

Tell that to the people who pay 300+ mil for a 14 atk glove when a 12 atk glove is only 150mil... ;p

Tell that to the people who pay 300+ mil for a 14 atk glove when a 12 atk glove is only 150mil... ;p

*chokes*

Gah, dear Lord, I had no idea they were that costly. x___e; Great, now my post makes no sense. :|

*economic n00b* :<

*chokes*

Gah, dear Lord, I had no idea they were that costly. x___e; Great, now my post makes no sense. :|

*economic n00b* :<

Your post still makes sense, because that 2 atk from glove is permanent, and the 2atk from pots last 8 minutes.

Apple. In. CPQ.

lololkololo.

Seriously, people need to learn how to SPEAK if they're so concerned about using an attack pot. It's kind of common sense...

*Agrees with Karen (MariaColette)'s post.*

lol an onyx apple in CPQ. plus she said "OMG a Fighter" and din't leave, or tell you not to rage. what surprizes me the most is that she didn't tell the party she was using apples. :f6:I guess she wanted to pretend her damage was natural, and that her char was just naturally godly. good luck with that

Tell that to the people who pay 300+ mil for a 14 atk glove when a 12 atk glove is only 150mil... ;p

Actually Karen and I both play on Windia... 12 atk in windia might be around 150m (Personally I skipped 12 ), 13's around 300m now, 14 attack's 500m+... I got a good deal though, 400m for 14's . . .

*chokes*

Gah, dear Lord, I had no idea they were that costly. x___e; Great, now my post makes no sense. :|

*economic n00b* :<

You're a bit more than just an economical noob Karen, but we love you anyways. x] Besides, prices of gear always go up exponentially. for instance, a 16 attack glove would be over a billion. So in that instance, that'd be 500m+ for 2 attack xD Don't compare gear to skill/pots. Though really, rage fails for bosses cause of dispel. I personally pot when I solo pap, even though it's "more expensive", but in the end it's a better deal, since I get dispeled a lot. Saving time from not re-casting rage probably ends up saving me more time, pots, and overall money than just using rage.

Also replying to previous posts about idiot fighter/sader/heroes that have a stupid habit of raging, I have the same habit. HOWEVER, I'm not stupid =D I take rage off my key setting whenever I fight a boss, solo or partied. Worst case scenerio, I forget to put it back until I want to use it, take a few seconds to put it back, and go on with my life. Waste of a few seconds of training, but it saves me from raging over attack pots, both mine and others' =]

I have a crusader and I train with atk potions and don't have rage hotkeyed. I think it's from experience playing a dexless hermit to frown upon rage, but most people in my guild feel the same way. Other hermits, nightlords, and bowmasters always go "grrrrr" when we get raged. Because atk potions are so cheap, it seems proper etiquette for ragers to ask if party members want rage or not. I know you all are using warrior elixirs as comparison, but there are people (with expanded use slots) who use ciders instead - they are 20 atk, last 3 mins, and only cost 1k (available in Showa or from Mo in Phantom Forest). The bad thing is that they take up one slot each, but for bowmasters who don't need to lug around arrows in their inventory, they work well. And for hermits/nightlords with maxed alchemist, they last a decent amount of time. Just fill up on them before you go training and you can gain inventory slots while you train each time you use one.

But for that sin, I doubt she was using an apple. That was for shock value for the sake of argument. As people have mentioned before, you can't use potion in waiting room or during the battle. She would've had to use it outside with no idea if the leader could get a battle instantly. When I CPQed, I didn't mind using a warrior elixir before entering a waiting room, but using an apple is really pointless.

CPQ is meso-free training. You get all the pots you need inside and you can't use your own pots anyway. Using 5k for a warrior elixir before going inside isn't much when you consider you're not using any mp/hp pots inside.

She used the apple before entering the CPQ. I'm guessing she wanted to prove how godly her damage is and again I'm guessing she wanted to make it plain obvious she didnt want me to sue rage (which she didnt make it obvious at all ). From what I know, I bet Onyx apples would make her kill rombots in 1-2 hits so we'd kill faster and she probably either is heavily funded or she has a main who APQs.

Most sins for some reason are damage hoars and want to prove their damage is godly >.>

I didnt read all the posts, but on my newest hero, i only got level 3 rage to I could get power gaurd. 5k for 8 minutes of two more attack is amazingly cheap considering the price of other attack equips. Someone has probably brought up this point, but why would i upgrade my weapon/shield/gloves by 2 attack when I can buy cheap two attack pots?

For other people, it just makes them use a 12 attack pot every there raged, to me, the money isnt bad, I just run out of pots really fast.

In CPQ it really pissed me off as I couldnt use another 12 attack pot if the first one is raged over, making me dependant on rage, which is even more annoying.

Also, on my first sader, I killed OVER NINE THOUSAND APPLES

Well when damage doesn't matter (ie if you 2 hit kill either way) I'll gladly use my rage, but if it actually makes a difference (at a papulatus lets say) I'll use a 12 attack pill. People who use an apple in a CPQ are just...silly. Maple bless made it bad enough (lol sin ego comparisions)

the only reason i use atk pots for bossing is if they dispell. if the 2atk doesnt matter for training then honestly, it doesnt do that much for bossing too. dpm/dph is the same all around.