McCain or Obama?

I have nothing more to say in this thread other than this;

Obama is a smooth talking Socialist.

Socialism sucks.

Ass-kissing other countries(which is why the majority of the rest of the world will say vote for Obama) sucks, I'm sorry to say so but sucking up to get what you want(or more like get pwnt in this case) is not the way to lead a country.

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Either way, all the presidential candidates suck this year, but I'll be voting for the one that has the highest chance to win over Obama. I've lived in socialist countries, and it is not fun regarding political and economical issues.

EDIT: For those that don't know, Socialism involves high taxes, high governmental control on many things where their hands don't belong, and very selective health care. There's other reasons as well but I'm not going into detail on those.

Obama ass kisses other countries? If I support him, it's mostly because the media down here only seems to talk about him. I barely know anything about McCain.

EDIT: btw, I'm pretty sure they show so much of Obama because he's more interesting news-wise. First black person to run for president in a major party vs old white guy? Which would you rather see?

Why are you two making me sound like such a bad person? We have enough trouble paying for our houses especially with the 750,000$ of debt we are in so stop it. Just stop it. You're just lucky that the government isn't too left or right sided or you'd have everything or nothing. I mean Jesus christ <_<

And I intend on supporting my parents in their elder years if they do live to be over 65 and no it doesn't mean shoving them in a nursing home to leech the governments money. I'll pay for their penthouse in manhattan because I'm gonna be a hard ass working rich SWEETHEART.

And theres nothing wrong with having money if you've worked hard for it (which I will be since Im planning on going to school for the next 8 years) Oh yea, did I mention they have to pay for my college too? Too bad the government is taking like 65,000$ from them in taxes anually but thats okay, because it helps you guys which is GOOD, but it also helps those lazy low lifes who think they can get away with living totally off of what the government offers them and not do any work for themselves (WHICH I DONT SUPPORT AT ALL)

AND NO IM NOT AGAINST CRIPPLES OR PEOPLE WITH MENTAL RETARDATION OR VEGETABLES OR PEOPLE ON LIFE SUPPORT GOD DAMMIT -____-"

Why are you two making me sound like such a bad person? We have enough trouble paying for our houses especially with the 750,000$ of debt we are in so stop it. Just stop it. You're just lucky that the government isn't too left or right sided or you'd have everything or nothing. I mean Jesus christ <_<

And I intend on supporting my parents in their elder years if they do live to be over 65 and no it doesn't mean shoving them in a nursing home to leech the governments money. I'll pay for their penthouse in manhattan because I'm gonna be a hard ass working rich SWEETHEART.

And theres nothing wrong with having money if you've worked hard for it (which I will be since Im planning on going to school for the next 8 years) Oh yea, did I mention they have to pay for my college too? Too bad the government is taking like 65,000$ from them in taxes anually but thats okay, because it helps you guys which is GOOD, but it also helps those lazy low lifes who think they can get away with living totally off of what the government offers them and not do any work for themselves (WHICH I DONT SUPPORT AT ALL)

AND NO IM NOT AGAINST CRIPPLES OR PEOPLE WITH MENTAL RETARDATION OR VEGETABLES OR PEOPLE ON LIFE SUPPORT GOD DAMMIT -____-"

I'm not even gonna touch this. This was just.... ridiculous. I don't think you honestly understand ANYTHING about this subject. So, I guess I am a lazy low life because I get gov't help for my "Mentally retarded" kids. Awesome.

i can't vote for either ('cause i'm not an american citizen) but i like Obama's plan much better than McCain's.

what obama says is true, mccain is more of the same. even if i'm living in an island that more than half of the people i meet online do not know, bush's idiotic antics still affect the whole world.

my favorite George W. Bush quote: "is our children learning?"

My favorite Obama qoute: ""... .. The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know there's a reaction that's been been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society."

Basically called all white people racist.

but it also helps those lazy low lifes who think they can get away with living totally off of what the government offers them and not do any work for themselves (WHICH I DONT SUPPORT AT ALL)

[COLOR="Magenta"]Some careers take time, time to study and prepare for. And in that time, those that need help are lazy low lifes?

Success comes in due time.[/COLOR]

I'm not even gonna touch this. This was just.... ridiculous. I don't think you honestly understand ANYTHING about this subject. So, I guess I am a lazy low life because I get gov't help for my "Mentally retarded" kids. Awesome.

Think whatever you want maybe you should read my post with less fury because no where in it did I call out you and your family. I've nothing against you or your kids and god bless them?

Im out since this thread is just about how being a democrat is good and being a republican is selfish and bad.

Think whatever you want maybe you should read my post with less fury because no where in it did I call out you and your family. I've nothing against you or your kids and god bless them?

Im out since this thread is just about how being a democrat is good and being a republican is selfish and bad.

Its not about "calling out my family" It's about everyone else in this country that are having problems and because they are poor and need a little bit of help they get screwed over. Not everyone is perfect. Not everyone can go to college, not everyone is rich. Some people just need help and that's ok. I don't think people should "shun" those that can't afford their BMWs or their 8 year degrees or their penthouses in Manhattan.

How about lowering Middle and under class taxes, and raising upper class's past what Bush lowered.
People save up for a decade to buy a house while corrupt politicians have over five, and plenty to spare. Tax the rich, feed the poor. <_<

Now how is this fair to the hard working upper class citizen, who worked their butt off, whether in high school, college, working up the corporate ladder, or putting in the countless hours for their own company to succeed, or all of them.
Are we all aware of how taxes work? Well there are things called deductibles, which can be a base of 8.5k if your single or you can total up each deductible expense (house interest, kids, marriage, job related, etc). All lower-class pay hardly anything after all the deductions. Middle-class pay slightly more depending on what side of the spectrum, we'll say 20%. And then Upper-class, who in many cases are forced to pay an 'alternative minimum tax'. Which is they arent allowed any deductions, even if they have accumulated over 100k deductions per say. They will pay 50% of their incomes to the government, after working the 100+ hr weeks to get where they are.

So they are killing themselves at 65? And because you are "rich" that makes you better than everyone else? I don't think so. If that's how you are growing up, you have ALOT to learn about this world. It's not all about rainbows and ponies. And trust me, when they stop working, the insurance goes away. But wait, they are rich and vote for McCain so they get whatever they want.

How about you be poor for a bit and see what it's like. It's not very fun. But wait, you get whatever you want. Why help the poor out a little. I mean pineapple, they are nothing but white trash hillbillies living on welfare right?

You know what's not fair? Is how because you are rich you get what you want. You know what sucks is when I have 2 handicapped children and can't get them what they need because I don't make enough or I'm not in the "correct tax bracket" or I'm not a doctor making a million pineappleing dollars. Oh wait, that won't happen because you don't live in the real world.

Unfortunately your choices landed you there, and you get to live with the uneasiness of having 2 children you cant or can barely support. Her parents went through 8 yrs of college a piece to get where they are, and then at least 3 yrs of residency, making hardly anything. And you were having reckless sex, popping out babies, there is no one to blame but you.

Now how is this fair to the hard working upper class citizen, who worked their butt off, whether in high school, college, working up the corporate ladder, or putting in the countless hours for their own company to succeed, or all of them.
Are we all aware of how taxes work? Well there are things called deductibles, which can be a base of 8.5k if your single or you can total up each deductible expense (house interest, kids, marriage, job related, etc). All lower-class pay hardly anything after all the deductions. Middle-class pay slightly more depending on what side of the spectrum, we'll say 20%. And then Upper-class, who in many cases are forced to pay an 'alternative minimum tax'. Which is they arent allowed any deductions, even if they have accumulated over 100k deductions per say. They will pay 50% of their incomes to the government, after working the 100+ hr weeks to get where they are.

Tax the rich, who make enough money per person to run several orphanages, or tax the people who are just getting by.
Doesn't matter if they 'earned' it, just keeping it for the sake of keeping it is selfish.

Unfortunately your choices landed you there, and you get to live with the uneasiness of having 2 children you cant or can barely support. Her parents went through 8 yrs of college a piece to get where they are, and then at least 3 yrs of residency, making hardly anything. And you were having reckless sex, popping out babies, there is no one to blame but you.

Explain to me how it's her fault she has handicapped children?
She never complained about the children, but how they were handicapped. (unless I misread)

Unfortunately your choices landed you there, and you get to live with the uneasiness of having 2 children you cant or can barely support. Her parents went through 8 yrs of college a piece to get where they are, and then at least 3 yrs of residency, making hardly anything. And you were having reckless sex, popping out babies, there is no one to blame but you.

Wow, don't you dare talk to her like that. That is completely uncalled for.

Unfortunately your choices landed you there, and you get to live with the uneasiness of having 2 children you cant or can barely support. Her parents went through 8 yrs of college a piece to get where they are, and then at least 3 yrs of residency, making hardly anything. And you were having reckless sex, popping out babies, there is no one to blame but you.

First of all you don't know me son. So don't go around talking to me like you pineappleing know ANYTHING about me. You don't. So here's an idea. Go get a pineappleing clue catcher and get a grip on the real pineappleing world. I'm not a peach but now I am. This was inappropriate and uncalled for. I am BUSTING my ass for my children. Don't talk down to me and don't treat me like a piece of pumpernickel. I wasn't having "Reckless sex and popping out babies". BTW. I can fucking support them. But if you knew anything about life, some things people just can't afford.

Fiel/Isaac give me my warnings now please.

Its not about "calling out my family" It's about everyone else in this country that are having problems and because they are poor and need a little bit of help they get screwed over. Not everyone is perfect. Not everyone can go to college, not everyone is rich. Some people just need help and that's ok. I don't think people should "shun" those that can't afford their BMWs or their 8 year degrees or their penthouses in Manhattan.

Thats pretty funny, actually. Anyone can go to college. There is countless government grants if your from a lower than average family income, or you can move out yourself work your entry level job and get those grants. If grants dont cover it all, take out a loan, and worry about the majority of it later. I work full-time, part-time, and go to college full-time. Thats a good 100+ hrs a week (for the 3mnths college is in session, then just about 60 hrs). Your mistake was getting knocked-up before planning for all repercussions and obviously not working hard enough. So before you say all 'rich people' have it easy, consider the hard work that goes into maintaining such success.

Thats pretty funny, actually. Anyone can go to college. There is countless government grants if your from a lower than average family income, or you can move out yourself work your entry level job and get those grants. If grants dont cover it all, take out a loan, and worry about the majority of it later. I work full-time, part-time, and go to college full-time. Thats a good 100+ hrs a week (for the 3mnths college is in session, then just about 60 hrs). Your mistake was getting knocked-up before planning for all repercussions and obviously not working hard enough. So before you say all 'rich people' have it easy, consider the hard work that goes into maintaining such success.

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FYI, she is at a near to her degree. So you shouldn't be blabbing out pumpernickel about studying and having things hard, because I can darn well tell you she works her ass off[/COLOR].

Tax the rich, who make enough money per person to run several orphanages, or tax the people who are just getting by.
Doesn't matter if they 'earned' it, just keeping it for the sake of keeping it is selfish.



Explain to me how it's her fault she has handicapped children?
She never complained about the children, but how they were handicapped. (unless I misread)

They dont have the chance to give money to charity etc, b/c its taken by the government to help those that can help themselves. Welfare cases, theres no reason unless you are mentally disadvantaged that you cant make enough to survive on your own.

Umm... well she chose to have the unprotected sex that made those two children.

Thats pretty funny, actually. Anyone can go to college. There is countless government grants if your from a lower than average family income, or you can move out yourself work your entry level job and get those grants. If grants dont cover it all, take out a loan, and worry about the majority of it later. I work full-time, part-time, and go to college full-time. Thats a good 100+ hrs a week (for the 3mnths college is in session, then just about 60 hrs). Your mistake was getting knocked-up before planning for all repercussions and obviously not working hard enough. So before you say all 'rich people' have it easy, consider the hard work that goes into maintaining such success.

Hey guess what. I've been going to college for years for Nursing, I have 2 jobs. You don't know pumpernickel about my kids so shut up about me "getting knocked up". You're an pimento. I bust my ass for my kids and my family. So it's my fault because my PLANNED children have handicaps? Real intelligent.

MY CHILDREN WERE FUCKING PLANNED. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ENGLISH?

Thats pretty funny, actually. Anyone can go to college. There is countless government grants if your from a lower than average family income, or you can move out yourself work your entry level job and get those grants. If grants dont cover it all, take out a loan, and worry about the majority of it later. I work full-time, part-time, and go to college full-time. Thats a good 100+ hrs a week (for the 3mnths college is in session, then just about 60 hrs). Your mistake was getting knocked-up before planning for all repercussions and obviously not working hard enough. So before you say all 'rich people' have it easy, consider the hard work that goes into maintaining such success.

Look, okay.

What the pineapple is wrong with you?

Handicapped children need a lot of money (a wheelchair for my niece cost £1000, because she's young), Katie has 2 handicapped children, so that's a lot of money and time.

You have no fucking idea how much of an arsehole you're being.

'getting knocked-up before planning for all repercussions'. wtp. srsly, wtp. Who thinks they're going to get a handicapped child, nevermind 2?

When my niece was diagnosed handicapped, it ruined my family. We were all sick from fear about what was happening, and we didn't know what to do. My brother + his girlfriend are going through rough patches because their daughter takes up a lot of their money and time.

They had another baby, so she can look after her sister when they get older.

Not everyone has the willpower to "work" 100+ hours a week, like you. Not everyone has the fucking time with 2 handicapped children.

arsehole.

No matter how correct you think you are, Stevens, it goes to say that what you're doing is uncalled for. Hindsight is always 20/20, but you don't need to remind her of that. She's venting about the current situation that she's in and she wants the greener grass. There's nothing wrong with that. Everyone wants greener grass.

Your argument here is not going to help her but just piss her off. This is the definition of trolling, I'm sure you understand. Either accept the current situation that she's in and offer your condolences or leave the topic. Telling her how much of a screwup her life is doesn't help anyone because she already knows her life isn't so great.

Tax the rich, who make enough money per person to run several orphanages, or tax the people who are just getting by.

So you're basically saying that the people doing poorly in school and working fast-food jobs are more deserving of money than those going to college for 4+ years and working triple digit work weeks? The poor are able to get money, but if they choose not to, they shouldn't be rewarded for it. What's the point of spending so much time improving the economy and society by working so much if the majority of the money will just go towards those sitting at home, choosing everyday other priorities?

Wow, don't you dare talk to her like that. That is completely uncalled for.

How is that uncalled for? She's saying that the poor deserve more money solely because she is biased because of the position she is in. She's blaming the government for her poor decisions. People work their asses off on their jobs and then you have thirty year old women living in their parents' house, spending the majority of her time on a MapleStory forum, rather than caring for her kids herself or getting a job. It's sick. She has no one to blame but herself.

They dont have the chance to give money to charity etc, b/c its taken by the government to help those that can help themselves. Welfare cases, theres no reason unless you are mentally disadvantaged that you cant make enough to survive on your own.

Umm... well she chose to have the unprotected sex that made those two children.

[COLOR="Magenta"]Dude, get a grip. Stop talking pumpernickel about her having children. It's none of your business, get your nose out of people's lives and grow up.

How unfortunate, you chose to go to school but still didn't learn manners. What a pity.

Edit: Above poster, holy pomegranate. Get the pinapple out of her life and stop making judgements. Why are you on a MapleStory forum then? Go study. Hypocrite. [/COLOR]

iiMarik, please try to remain civil about this. Don't jump on his case. Let him be.