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Bonuses from Maker - VVVVWWW - 2011-05-08
I've heard that the maximum bonus attack you can get from Maker is 11. +3 from Adv Diamond, +3 from Adv BC and +5 from Stimulator. Then again, I've also heard that using Maker itself also grants a chance to +3 as well.
I always thought that the max was +11, but seeing http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy137/kliphert/nicenisrock.jpg made me wonder.
Max should have been (95+3+3+5)=106.
Bonuses from Maker - JoeTang - 2011-05-08
Bow Stimulator.
Bonuses from Maker - VVVVWWW - 2011-05-08
Oops looks like I made a typo saying +5 from Maker. I meant stimulator.
Bonuses from Maker - Kalovale - 2011-05-08
But stimulators don't add attacks. I've forged +5 above average weapons and I never used any stimulators.
Bonuses from Maker - Shidoshi - 2011-05-08
Stimulators make it so stats are above average more often, supposedly.
Bonuses from Maker - Kalovale - 2011-05-08
Shidoshi Wrote:Stimulators make it so stats are above average more often, supposedly.
This is false according to Cyanne's ancient statement. It turns under average into average instead of killing them altogether (and consequently raising the chances for better stats).
Bonuses from Maker - Shidoshi - 2011-05-08
Well, it's still good unless you want to get above average stats no matter what.
Bonuses from Maker - VVVVWWW - 2011-05-08
Uh..... So....
Wait. What?
What I meant was stimulators would "+5" attack such that the item has maximum possible clean attack. Then add in the gems. So you take the average attack for a specific weapon and add 11 to the attack which would supposedly be the maximum clean attack available via maker.
New questions!
1. Highest over-average weapon attack on a weapon would be? (Without make/using stims only) I assume it's average+5.
2. Does using Maker itself grant any possibility of bonus attack? Assuming items always receive the maximum(?) bonus of +11 from being over-average with adv diamonds+bc
Bonuses from Maker - FenixR - 2011-05-08
You can get +5 without Stimulators but chances would be lower if you don't use a stimulator.
Bonuses from Maker - VVVVWWW - 2011-05-08
dante9898 Wrote:You can get +5 without Stimulators but chances would be lower if you don't use a stimulator.
So the max is +5, right?
Bonuses from Maker - Kalovale - 2011-05-08
dante9898 Wrote:You can get +5 without Stimulators but chances would be lower if you don't use a stimulator.
This is, again, not true.
The chance of you getting +5 out of [-5, -4, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5] is the same as that of [0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Bonuses from Maker - VVVVWWW - 2011-05-09
Hmm.. Another question.
If I were to maker a piece of armour and use black crystals, the armour can have attack bonuses, right?
Bonuses from Maker - Zelkova - 2011-05-09
Black crystals have only ever yielded me Magic Attack on some shoes I was making. Sad thing was...they were warrior shoes....
I dont think that you can get attack on armor, if you could then we would see crazy attack...tops...or bottoms...
Bonuses from Maker - Takebacker - 2011-05-09
Kalovale Wrote:This is, again, not true.
The chance of you getting +5 out of [-5, -4, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5] is the same as that of [0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Proof that it forces a neg value positive? Far as i'm concerned it makes the range 0-5 rather than (-5)-5.
Bonuses from Maker - Snor - 2011-05-09
Doesn't the stimulator make the item go between the stat ranges? For example, the ATT from a Nisrock can range from 90 to 100. So 95(average)+5(Stimulator)+3(Diamond)+5(Black Crystal). That would make it 108.
Bonuses from Maker - VVVVWWW - 2011-05-09
Snor Wrote:Doesn't the stimulator make the item go between the stat ranges? For example, the ATT from a Nisrock can range from 90 to 100. So 95(average)+5(Stimulator)+3(Diamond)+5(Black Crystal). That would make it 108.
Black crystal only adds 3 O_O
Bonuses from Maker - Snor - 2011-05-09
VVVVWWW Wrote:Black crystal only adds 3 O_O
I thought an Advanced Dark/Black Crystal worked exactly like a Chaos Scroll and therefore adding a range from -5 to 5.
Bonuses from Maker - Takebacker - 2011-05-09
Snor Wrote:I thought an Advanced Dark/Black Crystal worked exactly like a Chaos Scroll and therefore adding a range from -5 to 5.
Same mechanics, different stat range.
Bonuses from Maker - Kalovale - 2011-05-09
Takebacker Wrote:Proof that it forces a neg value positive? Far as i'm concerned it makes the range 0-5 rather than (-5)-5.
What are you talking about? You said the same thing to a lesser degree of clarity.
Bonuses from Maker - Viaje - 2011-05-09
Kalovale Wrote:What are you talking about? You said the same thing to a lesser degree of clarity.No, he didn't say the same thing.
I thought that was quite clear.
You said:
"The chance of you getting +5 out of [-5, -4, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5] is the same as that of [0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5] "
He essentially said:
"[-5, -4, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5] becomes [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]"
Frankly, the latter makes far more sense.