Demonic Wrote:What kind of changes were made to Aran? It seems important yet underlooked...

YennoX Wrote:While I think it's a great thing that they're making range play a huge role in some of the new skills, I feel they're approaching it the wrong way.
Rather than make everything do more damage when you're further away, they should make it the other way around.

Decrease damage dealt, damage taken, accuracy and critical chance when you're outside a set range, and increase them when you're within a set range. That actually gives incentive for ranged classes to balance risk/reward, and gives more flavour to bossing.

ShinkuDragon Wrote:the purpose of a ranged class however, is to attack from as far away as possible, not supposed to be on the front lines. in that regard, i think this change to -snipers- is quite amazing.

YennoX Wrote:Giving them fringe bonuses for doing that just removes any challenge in the game because the player will just be standing across the map attacking from a safe distance.
With risk should come rewards, and ranged players should be encouraged to actually move up close to maximise damage. I think Magnus was a great first step in getting the concept out. Nexon just needs to expand on it.

EDIT: Other MMOs do it, and it makes logical sense, really. And I'm not suggesting this just because I want to give Archers a hard time (because I play a Mercedes and a NL myself, which are both ranged projectile classes).

RenmazuoDX Wrote:Not bad so far, likeing alot of the changes although I think Heros would be a bit better if they moved the 70% mastery over to Combat Mastery and added maybe some %crit or % min crit since they decided for whatever reason to give it a max level of 30 instead of 10 now.

ShinkuDragon Wrote:standing away also has it's cons! in root abyss it means you'll have to dodge the magical attacks that hit for %hp, rather than tank the boss, and in the case of vellum, you need to get behind him and then move further away to do the extra damage. i understand if it were guns, but with arrows? close combat? i dunno. (it's cool in DN, but is still weird)

Question Wrote:Not happy with bam change... they got nerf infact if u guy didn't notice that they lose their final attack I think... and that one less attack count to all their attacking speed

Question Wrote:Not happy with bam change... they got nerf infact if u guy didn't notice that they lose their final attack I think... and that one less attack count to all their attacking speed

fodjgngf Wrote:Final attack is still there.

KillerZero Wrote:You forget that the hottest flame isn't Red but blue :3

Pink Bean Wrote:let me get this straight: quiver allows you to change arrow type, but there's so few of them we can't hold on to one for too long. since the CD of advanced quiver (at max) is the same as the buff duration we can now use a specific type as long as we keep buffing? 30 seconds seems really detrimental

i'm really not liking arrow blaster. it's in my opinion unattractive and can only be held down 15 seconds at a time, compared to hurricane's "stop when you need to" and we cannot move with AB. it's an awkward looking skill in general.
i've grown to like uncountable arrow, except that it's extremely bright if anyone understands me when i say that.. it looks out of place.



does anyone know what the korean playerbase has to say about this? i'm liking marksmen's changes more to be honest. it feels more developed

YennoX Wrote:I'm not talking about close combat as in whacking with your bow. Rather, just standing at a set distance and scaling the damage multplier accordingly at every interval. And which bosses at RA are we talking about? RA bosses don't have touch damage.

Standing close to Von Bon makes his 1 hit KO attack harder to spot.
Standing close to Pierre means you get KBed to hell.
Standing close to Queen makes you vulnerable to all the status effects from her swipes and that whirlpool thing.
Standing close to Vellum means you have less time to dodge.

In all the above scenarios, it makes no sense to stand close to the bosses. But if they implement bonuses the closer you are to the boss, then players will constantly try to find the safest distance to attack from whilst gaining the maximum benefits.

Range classes shouldn't have to get close to melee classes. And they don't have to. But that doesn't mean players who chose to take risks shouldn't be rewarded for playing the game in hard mode.