Flamehowl Wrote:crusher hits 3 times

the difference between the two rings of each of my appled crusher numbers is very noticeable. i looked at how each ring would effect my dps and i'm getting the cruel ring

Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:Why don't you just give dusk your char stats and see what math says, not what you see and think says. People thought vegas were broken cause they failed some, when they werne't.

I'm more inclined to believe dusk since math doesn't lie.

Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:Why don't you just give dusk your char stats and see what math says, not what you see and think says. People thought vegas were broken cause they failed some, when they werne't.

I'm more inclined to believe dusk since math doesn't lie.

Noah Wrote:Mathematics is a touchy topic when it comes to "no lies". It is true what you say, that math does not lie. However, our understanding of it may be wrong, and this topic may have this issue:

Mathematically speaking, the average DPS is lower when using the critical ring over the cruel ring for Dark Knights without using any other critical-buff. But here's what you should keep in mind: We're talking about the average damage per second: The average amount of damage per second you would do against a monster with infinite HP. We are not talking about the ring which gives you the fastest experience on skelegons, and that difference is important:

Say you have a ring which give you +5 000 000% damage on 0.001% of all your attacks: That will increase your average DPS by 500%! Surely, this must be better than the other ring which gives +800% damage on 50% of all your attacks: The average DPS with this is just a 400% increase. However, the ring which gives less DPS is certainly better than the other if you're going to hunt skelegons: And that's the point here.

Indeed, the rings doesn't have such incredible stat-differences as in my example, but that was just to illustrate my point. The difference isn't great here, but during all the training at skelegons (or wherever you are), the average EPS (Experience per second) will most likely be higher[SIZE="1"][*][/SIZE] with the critical ring than with the cruel ring. The critical ring makes you not overkill your monster by 50k damage, and it activates rather frequently, making your damage higher, yet more stable than wiht cruel. For bosses, SE will give you a higher dps with crit than with cruel, and the criticals will activate more frequently.

[SIZE="1"][*] - one example where cruel ring is better than critical ring, is whenever you 100% hit a monster with the extra 1 attack you gain from the cruel ring. Another is when you have a high probability to make a critical, say 95% or 100%: then cruel will activate every single time, and so will critical. Obviosuly the %-difference and the attack-difference will be better with the cruel then. I would like to say that both of these cases will not happen frequently, thus we scratch those out.[/SIZE]

Noah

Quote:If there's additional data that we can use to further expand upon the benefits associated with each item, then of course we will want to use it. What doesn't help is making a bold assertion and then refusing to even try and back it up. This isn't a question about playstyle or other opinion-based statements; this is a question that can be answered through math and real comparisons between DPM.

Flamehowl Wrote:You need to realize that I don't care what you want or think. It's my char and I'll do what I want with it, understood? I'm getting the cruel ring for higher potential damage not stable damage, for better or for worse. As with anything I would rather raise the ceiling, not the floor.

Flamehowl Wrote:You need to realize that I don't care what you want or think. It's my char and I'll do what I want with it, understood? I'm getting the cruel ring for higher potential damage not stable damage, for better or for worse. As with anything I would rather raise the ceiling, not the floor.

Flamehowl Wrote:You need to realize that I don't care what you want or think. It's my char and I'll do what I want with it, understood? I'm getting the cruel ring for higher potential damage not stable damage, for better or for worse. As with anything I would rather raise the ceiling, not the floor.

Kitteh Wrote:Dude, you can stop with the persecution complex. I don't give a sh'it what you do with your character, got it? What I do care about is the wrong information being spread out when the alternatives can be clearly and rigorously compared and defined. This is science, not a personal attack.

Dusk Wrote:This thread is about discussing the benefits of each ring for a DrK. Stop pretending anyone cares what you do with your own character. If this thread was about whether DrKs should get STR or LUK and you decided LUK was better for your character, that's totally fine, but also completely irrelevant to the discussion. The benefits of the critical ring over the cruel ring have been pretty well defined and your personal choice doesn't really hold any weight.