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[1.2.320] Massive Buff - Russt - 2010-06-22
JoeTang Wrote:You mean Big Bang?
While you have a point, there's just something wrong about a magician's strongest single-target attack being a multi-target attack. (All three of them, in fact.)
This is happening to various degrees to all the jobs (460% Avenger, 460% BoT, 300% Steal, 350% Rain, etc) and it makes no sense from a skill build perspective.
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - JoeTang - 2010-06-22
Russt Wrote:While you have a point, there's just something wrong about a magician's strongest single-target attack being a multi-target attack.
This is happening to various degrees to all the jobs (460% Avenger, 460% BoT, 300% Steal, 350% Rain, etc) and it makes no sense from a skill build perspective.
It's to emphasize multi-target training and single target bossing in my opinion. Single target training has almost always blown in my opinion, and will more so now that significantly higher level monsters can't be sniped.
If you want to look at it that way though, Ice/Lightning Arch Mages never had a single target attack skill to begin with. CL has always been a mob skill, it's just now even more emphasized.
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - iFrancisco - 2010-06-22
Wow. Nexon just punched Shadowers in the nuts and then kicked dirt into their eyes.
Both Assassinate and BS are weaker than what we currently have (after being buffed above in KMST the first time around), let alone Assaulter is ridiculously low too now. There must be some serious multiplier or something involved, otherwise
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - Russt - 2010-06-22
JoeTang Wrote:If you want to look at it that way though, Ice/Lightning Arch Mages never had a single target attack skill to begin with. CL has always been a mob skill, it's just now even more emphasized.
At most, CL of GMS can be considered a 3-target skill; any more than that and the damage reduction kills it. Hey, Brandish is a 3-target skill too.
Your continued chaining idea would be a good one though.
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - Skylit - 2010-06-22
Cactuar Wrote:BS only hits twice now. It's just weaker than the GMS countpart now.
Awesome balancing right there. They should of at least changed it back to 500x2.
O well, No bandwagon is good enough.
lolshadower <3333
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - Baklava - 2010-06-22
Skylit Wrote:Awesome balancing right there. They should of at least changed it back to 500x2.
O well, No bandwagon is good enough.
For all you know they took out the delay lol.
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - Skylit - 2010-06-22
Baklava Wrote:For all you know they took out the delay lol.
I'm fine with the delay haha
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - Abysseon - 2010-06-22
JoeTang Wrote:It's to emphasize multi-target training and single target bossing in my opinion. Single target training has almost always blown in my opinion, and will more so now that significantly higher level monsters can't be sniped.
If you want to look at it that way though, Ice/Lightning Arch Mages never had a single target attack skill to begin with. CL has always been a mob skill, it's just now even more emphasized.
I just don't see where nexon is going with this.
A FIRE/POISON archmage can freeze/mob control more efficiently than an ICE/LIGHTNING archmage?
Chain Lightning is now the strongest 1v1?
Are they switching the ideas for the mage classes?
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - Fiel - 2010-06-22
Baklava Wrote:For all you know they took out the delay lol.
For all I know they definitely didn't.
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - Skylit - 2010-06-22
Fiel Wrote:For all I know they definitely didn't.
hehe.
Time to watch all the other shadowers QQ.
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - Russt - 2010-06-22
Fiel Wrote:For all I know they definitely didn't.
Wait how would you know? I didn't know they were in the data.
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - Fiel - 2010-06-22
The delays are in the data. How else would I post them?
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - Phoenix Wright - 2010-06-22
I'm surprised they haven't fixed the fact that Brandish is stronger than Brave Blade...
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - Baklava - 2010-06-22
Fiel Wrote:For all I know they definitely didn't.
Oh ok. You should post those things before I say silly stuff, Fiel-san.
I'm just trying to get people to stop QQing.
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - Skylit - 2010-06-22
Baklava Wrote:Oh ok. You should post those things before I say silly stuff, Fiel-san.
I'm just trying to get people to stop QQing.
I'll only QQ if they take away my survivability. ^_^
I personally think shadowers are fine the way they are, but If nexon wants to nerf them, so be it. The other upgraded skills make up for the 50% Bstep damage reduction IMO.
BoT going from 250% > 230%x2 (x6 monsters) is hot.
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - LiquidSwing - 2010-06-22
iFrancisco Wrote:Wow. Nexon just punched Shadowers in the nuts and then kicked dirt into their eyes.
Both Assassinate and BS are weaker than what we currently have (after being buffed above in KMST the first time around), let alone Assaulter is ridiculously low too now. There must be some serious multiplier or something involved, otherwise
Dark Knights would like to have a word with you.
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - Loose - 2010-06-22
LiquidSwing Wrote:Dark Knights would like to have a word with you.Tell them I send my best regards to Hyper Body.
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - MetaSeraphim - 2010-06-22
Loose Wrote:Tell them I send my best regards to Hyper Body.
So a super buff that you need at every big boss makes up for being weaker than lolShadowers? Okay, thanks for the heads up.
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - IllegallySane - 2010-06-22
MetaSeraphim Wrote:So a super buff that you need at every big boss makes up for being weaker than lolShadowers? Okay, thanks for the heads up.
Inb4 old argument Buccaneers should be lolaneers because of Speed Infusion, Time Leap, and getting hit less than other classes at bosses.
[1.2.320] Massive Buff - DeanNim - 2010-06-22
MetaSeraphim Wrote:So a super buff that you need at every big boss makes up for being weaker than lolShadowers? Okay, thanks for the heads up.
Pretty much.
Anyway, i came lava at the bishop updates. Good that they made bishop trainanble once again. bu i dont really mind cause i only use my bishop if a guild im in needs supporters in zak.
The character im going to prepare for now is a fire mage. Dang they look good. I bet people are going to bandwagon f/ps once again.